OGP Nürburgring / Yellow RS 3.8

[Hacki]

Just back from a great weekend at the Ring. Friday no racing due to fog, then two beautiful days with great racing. I highly recommend that event.

A yellow 964 RS 3.8 was offered, these guys said the car is original, but they haven´t found out the full history yet. If anybody is interested, I´ve got the address.

Tons of great cars, it was really worth the trip.


Rgds

Hacki Cupwagenmeister

 

[carreraboy]

3.8 RS best he tries and sells it through his local cornershop or my local free newspaper "Newshopper" no demand too much like a Turbo copy/Covin kit car...[]

 

[Hacki]

Think so, too, Des. But, as you know, some people love the widebodies..... and spend 150 k EURO.

Any new fantasy price levels for RSs and Cups ? Heard about a Cup car offered for more than 100 k EURO.
The Cup car of a friend of mine was sold for 57 k EURO recently, and there was some work to be done on it. Definitely needed some tlc.... so prices seem to be rising step by step.

All the best

Hacki

 

[carreraboy]

Hacki was only having a joke, the 3.8RS very sought after...was appealling to your German sense of humour[]

Prices in Europe lead and the UK follows.....tell me Hacki what the following are now selling for in Europe:

1. Reasonable well repaired non virgin Lightweight (which is the majority market).
2. Very Nice Lightweight unrepaired original panel but maybe a bit of stone chip car park paint.
3. The Gargage Queen Virgin unmolested totally orginal Lightweight.

Now repeat the above in M001 & M003 1. 2. 3.

Dunker Des

 

[Hacki]

Des, I was half serious, I´d prefer the standard RS. 15 years ago I had the wide body version of the 964 convertible (turbolook). After a while I found out it´s not the classic car I wanted, I liked the the look of the standard version (had it before) better.

Although the 3.8 is a great car (and expensive), the classic is the standard body.

I´ll try to find answers.


Hochachtungsvoll (nice word, eh?)

Hacki

 

[Hacki]

Des,

here´s the first price check (all in EURO):

Lightweight

1. about 50 k EURO

2. about 60 k to 65 k EURO

3. I doubt there are some on the market. If not so, it will be a matter of individual negotiations. I know of one that was sold years ago for a LOT of money.

M 001 (which in my understanding is the Cup car)

1. 55 k to 65 k, perfect condition maybe 10k to 15 k plus

2. I doubt there are some

3. Heard of a car for more than 100 k asked, seems ridiculous to me


M 003 (in my understanding the N/GT)

1. ?

2. ?

3. You know the H & S offer

N/GTs are very rarely for sale and if so, often modified with air jacks and other race equipment, often with a bunch of race seasons under their belt. Many were used or abused in VLN Langstreckenpokal Nürburgring, where they used to have a class of their own. Maybe you´ll find former race cars with lots of modifications, rebuilds, etc.

In general, almost every RS over here has its history, they were used for track days, in GTP racing etc.. Some ten years ago they were cheap, so people raced them and didn´t pay too much attention.

And, if you check the offers precisely, you´ll often find that offer and truth are not the same thing.

Whatsover, I think, they won´t get any cheaper but we´ll see many replicas in the near future. In fact it seems to be trendy in Germany to modify a C2 in RS-style.

Btw, is it only cars where wide bodies are sought after or are there more tendencies on the island I don´t understand? (Appealling to your (sick?) British sense of humour [])

Ihr treu ergebener (cool, eh?)

Hacki

 

[wblackw9]

Who said replica's arent good[]!!

As much as most people would love to own an original turbo etc finances do not always make this possible, hence the need for replicas of peoples dream cars.
Also myself personnaly i love the feel of an early car compared to late and thats why i chose to do a conversion on my 77 911[8D]

 

[Hacki]

Nobody said replicas aren´t good.

In fact, Porsches offer the chance to have an individual car modified to your personal specs. It´s up to anybody´s taste. I´d never say a replica is bad, the owner´s taste decides.

So, enjoy! []

Hacki

 

[wblackw9]

my missinterpretation!!

911's rule!!!![]

 

[DSCBoy]

Steady on Hacki... those is fighting words ;-)

 

[wblackw9]

Any pictures of your rs would love to see them, looks very nice

 

[carreraboy]

ORIGINAL: Hacki

Des,

here´s the first price check (all in EURO):

Lightweight

1. about 50 k EURO

2. about 60 k to 65 k EURO

3. I doubt there are some on the market. If not so, it will be a matter of individual negotiations. I know of one that was sold years ago for a LOT of money.

M 001 (which in my understanding is the Cup car)

1. 55 k to 65 k, perfect condition maybe 10k to 15 k plus

2. I doubt there are some

3. Heard of a car for more than 100 k asked, seems ridiculous to me


M 003 (in my understanding the N/GT)

1. ? Figures Please

2. ? " "

3. You know the H & S offer

N/GTs are very rarely for sale and if so, often modified with air jacks and other race equipment, often with a bunch of race seasons under their belt. Many were used or abused in VLN Langstreckenpokal Nürburgring, where they used to have a class of their own. Maybe you´ll find former race cars with lots of modifications, rebuilds, etc.

In general, almost every RS over here has its history, they were used for track days, in GTP racing etc.. Some ten years ago they were cheap, so people raced them and didn´t pay too much attention.

And, if you check the offers precisely, you´ll often find that offer and truth are not the same thing.

Whatsover, I think, they won´t get any cheaper but we´ll see many replicas in the near future. In fact it seems to be trendy in Germany to modify a C2 in RS-style.

Btw, is it only cars where wide bodies are sought after or are there more tendencies on the island I don´t understand? (Appealling to your (sick?) British sense of humour [])

Ihr treu ergebener (cool, eh?)

Hacki

Thanks for the reply Hacki, a lot of truth with the N-GT......however they were what they were.....

Wally Rollbar, mailed me.....Jah der 15Jahren.. Ich der blitzen ein der fueherlandsen..mit der Englander Spinner.....[]

 

[Guest]

Hacki,

M001 is not the Cup spec., it is M700 and the Carrera Cup spec. is mentioned in the built sheet.
Herzliche Grüße
H.

 

[chfs911]

Correct. Hacki does not know his cup cars! ;O)

M700 it is.

 

[Ian964]

Hmm...the specification printout from Porsche for my car reads

MNR Typ Bereichnung
001 F CARRERA CUP
220 T SPERRDIFFERENTIAL
231 C BRIDGESTONE/MICHELIN/PIRELLI
384 T SCHALENSITZE LINKS
385 T SCHALENSITZE RECHTS
404 T CUP-GUSSRAD 17" (MG)
481 T 5-GANG SCHALGETRIEBE
488 C SCHILDER IN DEUTSCHER BESCHRIF
499 C BRD-AUSFUEHRUNG
564 V OHNE AIRBAG
656 T MANUELLE LENKUNG
983 T SITZBEZUEGE VORNE LLL

- no mention of 700.

I don't know what some of these mean - if anyone can translate I'd appreciate it.
Thanks

 

[Melv]

MNR Typ Bereichnung
001 F CARRERA CUP
Self explanatory.................
220 T SPERRDIFFERENTIAL
LSD
231 C BRIDGESTONE/MICHELIN/PIRELLI
.Homologated tyres
384 T SCHALENSITZE LINKS
Bucket seat left
385 T SCHALENSITZE RECHTS
Bucket seat right
404 T CUP-GUSSRAD 17" (MG)
Cup cast wheel
481 T 5-GANG SCHALGETRIEBE
5 gear transmission
488 C SCHILDER IN DEUTSCHER BESCHRIF
Signs written in German??
499 C BRD-AUSFUEHRUNG
Puzzled on this....export? execution? HACKI!!! :<
564 V OHNE AIRBAG
Without airbag
656 T MANUELLE LENKUNG
Manual steering
983 T SITZBEZUEGE VORNE LLL
Seat coverings in front? I do hope so!!

Oh, and my understanding of M numbers is:-

There were three M optional versions based on the so called: "Carrera RS Basic" offered in model year 1992:

Carrera Cup Vehicle, option M001

Carrera RS "Touring", option M002

Carrera RS "Competition", option M003.

The RS Basic, M002 and M003 types were approved and sold for road use around the globe for model year 1992 only, excepting the USA.

The M001 Carrera Cup racing car was not approved for road use anywhere and was built for racing customers only using the 964 RS chassis in both model years 1992 and 1993.

 

[Ian964]

Thanks Mel - it's the 488 and 499 in particular that I'm interested in. Done a bit of Googling, and I think BRD-Ausfuhrung msy be 'Export from BDR (Bundesrepublic Deutschland)'. Found an ad for a GT3 in Norway that has the same two options, so possible this car was built for export - it was first road registered in Italy in 1994.

I'm trying to find out the early history of my car - I know that a few 964 Cup cars started running in the 1992 Italian GT series from late July onwards, so it's possible this one was used there.

 

[chfs911]

The 1991 Cups were build from the standard C2 body shell and take the Weissach designation M700. Vin M

The Series 2 Cup cars were build on the homolgated RS shell and may indeed take the M001 designation. (1992) Vin N

"Production began in late 1989 for the 1990 season, no major developments being made until 1992, at which point all Cup cars were based on the Carrera RS instead of the Carrera 2 (left). The use of Super Unleaded fuel led to an extra 10bhp being developed, output now registering as 275bhp at 6500rpm. Weight was further trimmed thanks to the use of even thinner glass in the side and rear windows whilst the front hubs and new three-piece 18-inch wheels were now magnesium. Production continued until 1993, the new 993 Cup replacing the 964 from the 1994 season."

M700 Carrera 2 Cup M220 Differential lock M018 Steering wheel with 30mm higher steering post

 

[Guest]

My Cup car specs. read very simple:
M700 Carrera 2 Cup
M220 Differential lock
M018 Steering wheel with 30mm higher steering post

That's it.

 

[Hacki]

Melv,

"BRD Ausführung" means: Bundesrepublik Deutschland version.
In those dark days of two German countries BRD was the Federal Republik of Germany, known as West Germany.

"Ausführung" has nothing to do with export, it just means "version".

"Schilder in deutscher Beschriftung" means: All signs (labels) written in German

I´m a bit confused about the M numbers. I think from 92 on the Cup Car was the
M 001 spec, as you also wrote.

My Cup Car is from 90, built up on a C 2 shell like all the early Cup Cars (RS not existing yet), so that could be the reason for the M 700 code of the earlier cars. The VIN for 90 Cup cars has the L (first 50 cars), 91 M, 92 N.

But what´s all paperwork compared to a ride in a Cup Car ?

Rgds

Hacki