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Oil Filter Removal

Andy B Aces High

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Hi Guys,

Just spent half a day trying to remove the engine oil filter and have given up, can anyone recomend the best tool for undoing this thing as it appears to have been overtightened. Have just taken a look on the internet and the strap/chain type looks to be the best option due to the minimal amount of access but any recomendations would be appreciated.

Andy B.
 
Which oil filter are you talking about? If it is the small one you can buy an oil filter wrench that attaches to the bottom of the filter - just use a 3/8" drive ratchet with a long extension to undo it http://www.tooled-up.com/Product.asp?PID=139196 . I had a problem with the larger one which was overtightened - I think those will come off if you use a rubber strap type of oil filter wrench - Halford sells it.

Harry
 
Andy - I used a three prong adjustable oil filter removal tool I got off eBay (one on at the moment and is Item number: 150238180058) this can be used with a 3/8" drive ratchet drive and is small enough to get the legs on the engine filter without having to take off the oil return pipe which saves ages of time. If the engine filter is very tight which mine was you can add an extension to the ratchet and it works really well as the legs tighten as you turn. I used this rather than the official Porsche oil wrench (which I used on the large filter) as you can get it on the filter without taking the oil return pipe off (tip by Charles at region 25 meeting). If you want to borrow mine you are welcome I am just down the road in Sandgate.
Eddie
 
Hi Eddie,

I know you said at the last meet you used the three prong tool to get yours off, think I will do the same.

If I can borrow yours it would be really useful. Will drop you a private email for your address, think I know where you are but need to just confirm and check when it is convenient with you.

Cheers,

Andy B.
 
The oil filter wrench I posted also doesn't require removal of the oil return pipe. I just put it on a long 3/8" socket extesion and got it on the engine filter. I think I bought my oil filter wrench at Halfords and not at the Tooled-up.com (which offer excellent service by the way) if I remember correctly.

Harry
 
Hi guys,

I've just done this job. I found that my 3-pronged filter remover did not work, because the legs kept slipping. If you are going to buy one, get one with rubber coating on the legs. Sykes Pickavant do a nice one - not cheap, but cheaper than paying for the job to be done & it will last you a lifetime.

I found that my socket/chain-type wrench would not fit in (space is very limited in there).

I used the nylon fabric type (looks like a little seatbelt!). Probably the most common type available in car stores. If this slips, try putting some rubber bands around the engine filter. Then prepare for all that nice oil to run down your arm (LOL![:D]). I had the bag ready, but failed dismally to catch much oil...[:(]. I agree, you don't have to remove the oil tube, filter comes out nicely through the gap. Just seems like an opportunity for muck to get into the engine to me. Might disconnect it next time to sya I've done it, but it didn't stop a full 10 litres coming out of my car [8D]

Good luck Andy.
 
Best tool, in my humble opinion, is the one Harry is talking about. It's the one Porsche use and is the one the oild filter is designed for. Its a fluted cap which engages the flats on the base of the oil filter. You can get them from most parts suppliers for a mere fiver. You can also use it to it the filter without damage.

Regards
GR
 
I had the "proper" tool that fits over the end end of the filter but that slipped the first time i used it.
My very tight filter was removed with a 3 pronged type wrench.
Dan
 
When I got my 993 a few years ago the small filter was so tight nothing would budge it. After many hours and a very distorted filter it eventually came off. Made me wonder how long it had been in place - the three filters I have changed since have never been difficult !!
 
I hope you don't have the same trouble I had... Fluted cup type tool kept slipping. Threepronged tool just cut a slot around the base of the filter which then dripped oil everywhere.. had to eventually remove the bottom of the filter, the internals of the filter and make a two pronged tool for the end of the socket extension bar which fit into the tiny holes in the top of the filter (around the main screw thread) and twist like a maniac. I had toput so much force into turning the ratchet I thought I was going to burst an eyeball and the car was going to come off the axel stands...
What a treat that was... what a marvellous design.
good luck.
 
Oh dear,

So some have had troubles with the fluted cup, some have had troubles with the 3 pronged type. It just goes to show, it is better to do DIY to make sure it is put on correctly. I would be a little worried about what ubertub said about the car potentially coming off the axle stand - make sure the vehicle is secure before you work on your car. It is not worth risking your life to save a couple of hundred quids. I bought a scissor lift and it is very safe. It will almost certainly pay for itself in a few years, not to mention that I don't have to worry about the car collapsing on top of you.

Harry
 
Thanks Guys,

Have very kindly borrowed three types of wrench from Eddie Terry tonight, will be making another attempt this weekend so will post the result on here. Fingers crossed !!

Goes to show, my car has a fully documented service book (Porsche OPC and Indy stamps) and it certainly looks like the filter has been left on through more than one service !! At least when I have finished I will know the job has been completed throughly. I much prefer to do my own servicing for this reason.

Andy B.
 
+1. You know it's done & done properly.

I heard a story about the no. 12 spark plug issue recently too from a specialist...OPC-serviced car all it's life...serial no. on plug 12 was different to the other 11 and no. 12 plug very, very tight to remove (had been in there a long time). Took them well over an hour to get it out & two mechanics. Hmmm. Not saying this goes on everywhere though. Just like to do it myself.
 
ORIGINAL: roddylennox

+1. You know it's done & done properly.

I heard a story about the no. 12 spark plug issue recently too from a specialist...OPC-serviced car all it's life...serial no. on plug 12 was different to the other 11 and no. 12 plug very, very tight to remove (had been in there a long time). Took them well over an hour to get it out & two mechanics. Hmmm. Not saying this goes on everywhere though. Just like to do it myself.

I also heard that rumour a few years ago and made the decision not to take the 993 to the OPC for servicing, but to do it myself on the basis if they shortcut there what else is not getting done. It was not very encouraging knowing that my two nearest OPC`s had no technicians experienced on 993`s and if that wasn`t bad enough. I had spoken to another 993tt owner who saw his own car tearing up the tarmac out of the OPC by a young technician whilst in for an oil/filter change.

On my previous 993C2 and also the tt I have changed the spark plugs and was quite relieved to find their removal trauma free and were all the same type and showing equal amounts of wear. On both cars the spark plug under the power steering pump is quite difficult to change, all very easy for a technician not to replace when on a bonus scheme. I enjoy working on the cars and as previously said at least you know everything has been done.
 
ORIGINAL: Andy B Aces High

Thanks Guys,

Have very kindly borrowed three types of wrench from Eddie Terry tonight, will be making another attempt this weekend so will post the result on here. Fingers crossed !!

Goes to show, my car has a fully documented service book (Porsche OPC and Indy stamps) and it certainly looks like the filter has been left on through more than one service !! At least when I have finished I will know the job has been completed throughly. I much prefer to do my own servicing for this reason.

Andy B.

Agreed, however, if one decides to sell the car there will always be those who see missing stamps in the service book as an excuse to "haggle" despite the work probably having been done to a higher standard (or just done!). Out of interest, do you write in your service book what you have done?
 
I think if you do not plan to keep your car for very long, then it would be less justifiable to do the work yourself, however if you plan to keep your car for a long time, then any amount that it may lose in value would be far offset by the thousands of pounds in labour charges that you would save. The key issue is knowing that you are 100% competent to undertake any particular task. I have 20+ years' experience and have done a fair bit on cars over the years, viewing it as an enjoyable hobby in itself.

I always keep every receipt, also have a detailed spreadsheet of the entire car's history and the dozens of jobs that I have done since I got it, and also have a Microsoft Word pro forma with the entire service history on it which I sign and date for each year (with a tick beside each service item completed). Okay, this could be questioned, however it is important to bear in mind some comments that I read from Peter Morgan recently. He advised that with older (classic) 911s, the service history is perhaps less important than what you find during your test drive and thorough inspection of the car. In other words, a 20-year-old car with 140,000 miles on the clock is pretty likely to have had its oil changed regularly if the test drive reveals no signs of excessive oil or smoking and if there is a nice clean oil on the dipstick.

One further caveat - this is my view on my lowly 993 Carrera, but if I had a more valuable car (such as a turbo, RS etc - chance would be a fine thing!) then I would definitely have the car serviced to keep the service book up-to-date. Just my opinion, but there will be thousands who no doubt disagree. I don't believe that any amount that I might lose with the above approach would be horrendous, because the value of pretty well all of these cars (993 Carreras) does not go below high teens. It won't be long before I start saving substantial amounts of money.
 
I think a lot of people would prefer to buy a car from an enthusiast who has documented all the service tasks he has carried out as this usually means it has been carried out correctly and that things like oil and filter changes have been carried out more often than the service book requires (eg every 6 months rather than once a year). When I serviced my car which had a full correct service history it was obvious that the engine oil filter had not been changed for ages (it was really tight and much older looking than the large filter), the pollen filters were black (and yet it had been serviced within the last nine months and only covered 6K since)... I could go on etc. So I don't really know why I made such a thing of looking for a car with full OPC / Indie service history !!! If I ever change my 993 for another I will look for an enthusiast owners car. I am sure that if anyone on this forum wanted to sell their car it would be snapped up as people would know how much the car would have been cared for.
Eddie
 
ORIGINAL: roddylennox

I think if you do not plan to keep your car for very long, then it would be less justifiable to do the work yourself, however if you plan to keep your car for a long time, then any amount that it may lose in value would be far offset by the thousands of pounds in labour charges that you would save. The key issue is knowing that you are 100% competent to undertake any particular task. I have 20+ years' experience and have done a fair bit on cars over the years, viewing it as an enjoyable hobby in itself.

CAN be enjoyable if things do not go wrong and you spend forever correcting it.

I always keep every receipt, also have a detailed spreadsheet of the entire car's history and the dozens of jobs that I have done since I got it, and also have a Microsoft Word pro forma with the entire service history on it which I sign and date for each year (with a tick beside each service item completed). Okay, this could be questioned, however it is important to bear in mind some comments that I read from Peter Morgan recently. He advised that with older (classic) 911s, the service history is perhaps less important than what you find during your test drive and thorough inspection of the car. In other words, a 20-year-old car with 140,000 miles on the clock is pretty likely to have had its oil changed regularly if the test drive reveals no signs of excessive oil or smoking and if there is a nice clean oil on the dipstick.

I also document mine with digital photo and write out the procedure in word format. I can even direct them to the internet site that has my DIY article.

One further caveat - this is my view on my lowly 993 Carrera, but if I had a more valuable car (such as a turbo, RS etc - chance would be a fine thing!) then I would definitely have the car serviced to keep the service book up-to-date. Just my opinion, but there will be thousands who no doubt disagree. I don't believe that any amount that I might lose with the above approach would be horrendous, because the value of pretty well all of these cars (993 Carreras) does not go below high teens. It won't be long before I start saving substantial amounts of money.

Err, my car is a genuine RS - I took it to an indie - wasn't careful enough in handling my car, his workers were touching customer's beige leather with greasy hands leaving grease marks. At the OPC, the most experienced mechanic didn't know where my bonnet stay was! Parked outside where loads of small stones were on the road where other cars drove at speeds which kicked up the stones...... I'm afraid they don't look after the car the way I do so no more OPC or indies for routine maintenance work. I changed my spark plugs and changed some of the bolts to stainless ones and you won't be able to do that if you took it to a mechanic. The only time I would contemplate taking my car somwhere is if the engine needed rebuilding or the gearbox needed rebuilding i.e. something I would not be confident enough in doing myself. However, if I get bored, I may tear down the engine some day [:D]

Harry
 

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