Orange Peel

[Suffolk944]

Have just got my car back from a body shop where it went to get the bottom of the front wings sorted along with a front end respray.

Long story short the wing repair is great but there is a degree of orange peel across the bonnet in places that can be seen at certain angles. The body shop in question has endeavoured to sort it and it is better than it was. The front end was a blow over rather than a full bare metal job so I realise its not going to be of a similar standard if that had been the case but should any orange peel be evident at all even in those circumstances ?

 

[944Scott]

I'm guessing they improved it by colour sanding it however as its been blown in I reckon they are reluctant to do it any further not knowing the thickness of the original paint.

 

[blade7]

How much was the job ? I'd have thought to do that properly it would be £1k +. If the paint was original you wouldn't have to go back to bare metal for a good result.

 

[Gordon Attar]

Jon a bit more info on the paint used as your car looks black I.E. was it just base paint or paint with lacquer. If no lacquer then they can rectify easily if they put enough paint on.

Blower is a trade term which doesn't involve much preperation work. They literally clean the area being painted(usually only smaller areas,not usually panels degrease it, mask it, and paint and lacquer. They do not rub down bumps fill in chips etc This is usually enough to fool Joe Public. If they did this you have no hope of paint correction.

I suspect you've had a normal paint job as per Blades comment where they rubbed down all the panels back to paint filled in defects, under coated the prepped areas, painted and lacquered with two coats. If you can see the orange peel in normal daylight its not been done by a good spray painter as he was to close with his gun, they need to fix which is usually done by machine polishing as this flattens the "pèel". If it's random patches and this doesnt work any reputable paint shop will repaint.

 

[PSH]

just a word on 'bare metal' resprays....don't, only go back to metal were there is corrosion...the galvanised coating on our cars is very good, certainly on the early models. Any paint process onto bare metal will not be as good, you'll find that I good body shop will advise not to go back to bare metal unless there is no other option. IMHO orange peel is unacceptable with a fresh coat of paint, you can, over time have paint sink if not done properly but this wouldn't be noticed until much later.

Pete

 

[Suffolk944]

Thanks for all the replies I am still in discussions about this with the painter in question. One thing that has been raised is that as modern paints are not the same as the old cellulose paint used originally this can lead to a degree of orange peel. Anyone have any thoughts on this ?

Gordon, yes my car is black. To be fair it does look way better than before and what peel there is is not that noticeable. Am also very pleased with their front wing repairs so dont want to be an awkward customer out of my ignorance over car resprays !

 

[Gordon Attar]

Sorry I will clarify my black question, ( on older cars they can do matt cars that don't require lacquering, therefore they can polish out very easily.

Anyway patchy orange peel is just bad spraying all they need to do I rub it down with 1500 grit paper and polish. Even if it's horrendous they can reduce the impact by at least 75% .

 

[blade7]

Thanks for all the replies I am still in discussions about this with the painter in question. One thing that has been raised is that as modern paints are not the same as the old cellulose paint used originally this can lead to a degree of orange peel. Anyone have any thoughts on this ?

I call BS on this, sure what comes out of car plants today isn't the same as years ago but your painter should have matched the paint to the finish on the rest of the car.

 

[Monkeythree]

Painting over a paint of unknown pedigree would usually call for an isolator coat first.

FWIW, I normally associate orange peel with the spraying rather than the materials used.

 

[blade7]

I thought it was cellulose that was fussy and 2 pack not so much ?

 

[Waylander]

just look at new cars in the showrooms, the modern water based stuff seems to orange peel really badly

 

[T3rra]

Orange peal is normally in the lacquer. Was the car in a booth and baked?

I had a full respray from red to black, zero orange peal, but the paint marked easy. Got me wondering if it was lacquered.

Wet sand and polish will get most orange peel out, even taken up 2/3000 grit. Most panel blending is done with just the lacqure coat, could be these areas where it's bad?