Paint codes/colours
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Taking 1990 as an example there were
Solid colours
Black, white, red, Azure blue (very dark)
'Special' colours
Silver, Cyclamen red (dunno what that looks like), Titanium, Glacier blue (same as Peugeot Moonstone), Velvet red (maroon), Panther black, Linen (goldy silver)
None of the metallics are common but all (bar Cyclamen) can be found. Azure blue is the only rare solid colour.
Solid colours
Black, white, red, Azure blue (very dark)
'Special' colours
Silver, Cyclamen red (dunno what that looks like), Titanium, Glacier blue (same as Peugeot Moonstone), Velvet red (maroon), Panther black, Linen (goldy silver)
None of the metallics are common but all (bar Cyclamen) can be found. Azure blue is the only rare solid colour.
Diver944
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Don't get too hung up about a late one or age on these cars. Even the youngest is 12 years old, so you need to buy on condition. A K reg 50,000 miler can be worth less than an F plate 100,000 if it hasn't been looked after.
I've seen a Zyclamen 944. Perry Mahoney who contributed to the much missed 'Running Reports' in 911&Porsche World has a lovely Zclamen, it's a dark metallic burgundy - very nice
I've seen a Zyclamen 944. Perry Mahoney who contributed to the much missed 'Running Reports' in 911&Porsche World has a lovely Zclamen, it's a dark metallic burgundy - very nice
Guest
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i like the look of the panther black,looks v.nice.Wondered if you guys could give me a quick run down of what year/spec turbo i should be looking for,i've heard lots of things about m04? suspension oil cooler etc.Also i would like one with abs.AS far as tuning goes what is the most power possible out of the standard turbo,any weak points?regards Ryan
Diver944
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My favourite colours are Guards Red and Panther Black, but black is a pain to keep clean [
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You probably mean M030 suspension. This is stiffer than the normal Turbo suspension and has a degree of adjustment so you can soften it for road use and stiffen up on-track. Pretty sure that all Turbos and also S2's have a seperate oil cooler
For loads of Turbo info re spec and what to look for, take a peak at the 951 FAQ at www.clarks-garage.com and also at the two 'Useful buyers guides' that we've linked to at the top of this 944 forum
A standard turbocharger is good for around 330-350bhp but you need to ensure that it is done properly or you will end up blowing head gaskets or even worse melting pistons. Have a good read through all the posts in this forum and you will see we all like to have a little tinker with our Turbos []
]You probably mean M030 suspension. This is stiffer than the normal Turbo suspension and has a degree of adjustment so you can soften it for road use and stiffen up on-track. Pretty sure that all Turbos and also S2's have a seperate oil cooler
For loads of Turbo info re spec and what to look for, take a peak at the 951 FAQ at www.clarks-garage.com and also at the two 'Useful buyers guides' that we've linked to at the top of this 944 forum
A standard turbocharger is good for around 330-350bhp but you need to ensure that it is done properly or you will end up blowing head gaskets or even worse melting pistons. Have a good read through all the posts in this forum and you will see we all like to have a little tinker with our Turbos [
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Kevin Welch
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Hi Ryan
Ive heard lots of good things about Hartech and in fact my car was bought from them some years ago, but not by me. I have spoken to them on the phone and they seam to know all about 944s and all the little tricks. Unfortunately they are too far away for me to use.
As for colour choice it just has to be Azure blue. Ive only seen two other 944s in this colour and they were both race cars, ergo blue cars are faster.
I am sure that whatever the colour and specification you choose you will truly enjoy The Porsche Experience.
Ive heard lots of good things about Hartech and in fact my car was bought from them some years ago, but not by me. I have spoken to them on the phone and they seam to know all about 944s and all the little tricks. Unfortunately they are too far away for me to use.
As for colour choice it just has to be Azure blue. Ive only seen two other 944s in this colour and they were both race cars, ergo blue cars are faster.
I am sure that whatever the colour and specification you choose you will truly enjoy The Porsche Experience.
Kevin Welch
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Typical Sunday morning. Got my threads mixed up. Give me a couple of hours and I might wake up.[][][]
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Kevin Welch
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Sorry about the delay in answering Paul, the grandchildren arrived and commandered the computer and then I had to go to work. [:-]
You might as well leave my message as half of it is relevant and the rest just shows what plonker I am to get confused. I put it down to pressures of work but my wife says its just senility.
You might as well leave my message as half of it is relevant and the rest just shows what plonker I am to get confused. I put it down to pressures of work but my wife says its just senility.
Guest
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Thanks for the info guys ,have found it very interesting.Seems as though i'm better to go for the stiffer suspension in the turbo s/89 models and that i have abs.I have been down to see a guy who lives on my street he has a 1989 s2 in baltic blue,cars in top condition but he's suffering from a noisy tappet.I said i would ask you guys advice.He's got it booked in with a porsche specialist next week.Do you know how much it would be to replace the tappets?Also i have read that it's worth replacing the valve springs??Any clues?Is there a good porsche specialist in the leicester/midlands?
Somebody will tell you who the Leicester specialist is, but there is one I'm sure (just can't think of the name but I want to say Auto2000).
Are you thnking of buying an S2? If you are then I think you should consider what you want the car for.
If you're into tuning then get a Turbo because they have lots of scope and the S2 has next to none. If you just want to drive the car then I'd suggest you buy an S2 (by all means look for one with leather and a/c). It would be enough cheaper than a Turbo of the same age that you could fit M030 suspension and is basically as quick as a standard Turbo, and a more pleasant drive.
I forget the price of S2 tappets but I think it's in the £30-£40 range (each, there are 16). Also remember they have 32 valve springs and they are £5-£10 each. There was a piece of an inner valve spring on my cab's sump plug magnet at a service in August. My mechanic quoted 6 hours labour to replace the broken one but as it turned out they were all good - he stripped it and saw evidence of where one had broken and marked the head but it had been replaced. I did ask about replacing the lot but then decided perhaps it wasn't worth that much.
Are you thnking of buying an S2? If you are then I think you should consider what you want the car for.
If you're into tuning then get a Turbo because they have lots of scope and the S2 has next to none. If you just want to drive the car then I'd suggest you buy an S2 (by all means look for one with leather and a/c). It would be enough cheaper than a Turbo of the same age that you could fit M030 suspension and is basically as quick as a standard Turbo, and a more pleasant drive.
I forget the price of S2 tappets but I think it's in the £30-£40 range (each, there are 16). Also remember they have 32 valve springs and they are £5-£10 each. There was a piece of an inner valve spring on my cab's sump plug magnet at a service in August. My mechanic quoted 6 hours labour to replace the broken one but as it turned out they were all good - he stripped it and saw evidence of where one had broken and marked the head but it had been replaced. I did ask about replacing the lot but then decided perhaps it wasn't worth that much.
Guest
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hi fen,
I'm after a 944 turbo,but the guy down my street(944 s2) is really friendly and i mentioned i was looking into getting one and he was all to willing to show me round his and take me for a test drive.It won't be my everyday car,but i'm looking for something to use at the weekend/trackdays.The s2 didn't feel paticularly fast to me but my previous weekend car had 283bhp(240@wheels) and weighed 1260kg.Also my daily driver is a s3 audi with a dyno confirmed 244bhp(185@wheels) so it's not really a slouch.I've been reading up on the 944 turbo(remember my mates dad having one many years ago) and would like to make around 350bhp which apparently the standard internals are good for ,I've read they have forged pistons which makes the engine strong.I've read on "clarks-garage" that the standard turbo should run 1.75 bar but i have also read that it should run 0.8 bar elsewhere,unless clarks have forgot to take the 1 bar off for atmospheric pressure?My mates s2 is going to a place in leicester called DCR?Would also like to know what the specialist is in leicester if anyone knows?Any idea how much the labour will be on replacing the tappet/s?thanks for the help ,Ryan
I'm after a 944 turbo,but the guy down my street(944 s2) is really friendly and i mentioned i was looking into getting one and he was all to willing to show me round his and take me for a test drive.It won't be my everyday car,but i'm looking for something to use at the weekend/trackdays.The s2 didn't feel paticularly fast to me but my previous weekend car had 283bhp(240@wheels) and weighed 1260kg.Also my daily driver is a s3 audi with a dyno confirmed 244bhp(185@wheels) so it's not really a slouch.I've been reading up on the 944 turbo(remember my mates dad having one many years ago) and would like to make around 350bhp which apparently the standard internals are good for ,I've read they have forged pistons which makes the engine strong.I've read on "clarks-garage" that the standard turbo should run 1.75 bar but i have also read that it should run 0.8 bar elsewhere,unless clarks have forgot to take the 1 bar off for atmospheric pressure?My mates s2 is going to a place in leicester called DCR?Would also like to know what the specialist is in leicester if anyone knows?Any idea how much the labour will be on replacing the tappet/s?thanks for the help ,Ryan
Diver944
Active member
I don't know of any Porsche specialists in the Leicester area (try a post in the East Midlands forum) but I know of three that surround you - Autobahn in Coventry, Auto2000 in Bedford and Zentrum in Nottingham
Clarks Garage is a US site and to confuse us they always refer to the 220bhp version as the Turbo amd the 250bhp as an S [8|] The 220 should make 0.75bar boost and the 250 makes 0.82bar, and yes that is over and above atmospheric as you rightly say. When you test drive one watch the dash boost gauge and it should go to 1.82 but start dropping back towards 1.5 after about 5000 rpm
Sticky tappets don't seem to be common (unless the car has not been driven regulary for a while) so I haven't heard much talk about cost of replacing
Clarks Garage is a US site and to confuse us they always refer to the 220bhp version as the Turbo amd the 250bhp as an S [8|] The 220 should make 0.75bar boost and the 250 makes 0.82bar, and yes that is over and above atmospheric as you rightly say. When you test drive one watch the dash boost gauge and it should go to 1.82 but start dropping back towards 1.5 after about 5000 rpm
Sticky tappets don't seem to be common (unless the car has not been driven regulary for a while) so I haven't heard much talk about cost of replacing
I'd work to the 6 hours my guy quoted for replacing a valve spring as a rough estimate for getting the cams out and a little work on the head. 8 hours should be plenty to replace the tappets. My cab was a bit tappety on startup when I got it but it hans't done it for months now - a good engine flush and refill with quality oil and then use the thing might cure it.
Not all 944T's had forged pistons, in fact only relatively early ones did. That said 350bhp is fine on the standard internals, but to get that you're just into bigger turbo and injectors territory. 330-340 can be had with a MAF or MAP, chips and a wastegate plus a suitable remap.
Is 244bhp standard on an S3? It sounds mildly tuned to me, but then Revo, Jabba etc. get more like 270-280 with their chips. What have you done to it?
Not all 944T's had forged pistons, in fact only relatively early ones did. That said 350bhp is fine on the standard internals, but to get that you're just into bigger turbo and injectors territory. 330-340 can be had with a MAF or MAP, chips and a wastegate plus a suitable remap.
Is 244bhp standard on an S3? It sounds mildly tuned to me, but then Revo, Jabba etc. get more like 270-280 with their chips. What have you done to it?
Guest
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hi fen,
my s3 is standard apart from a samco intake hose(which does nothing).It runs a max of 1 bar boost,it's a 210hp version but interestingly it's the ex-audi press car.Also a leon cupra r 225 made 217bhp on the same dyno running 0.95 bar while mine made 244bhp.Anyway back to porsche matters,i'll look more into tuning once i've found the right car.Thanks for the info on the tappets,would it be worth replacing the valve/springs at the same time on the s2?I'll let my mate know.thanks,Ryan
my s3 is standard apart from a samco intake hose(which does nothing).It runs a max of 1 bar boost,it's a 210hp version but interestingly it's the ex-audi press car.Also a leon cupra r 225 made 217bhp on the same dyno running 0.95 bar while mine made 244bhp.Anyway back to porsche matters,i'll look more into tuning once i've found the right car.Thanks for the info on the tappets,would it be worth replacing the valve/springs at the same time on the s2?I'll let my mate know.thanks,Ryan
It's up to him if he wants to spend the money. 32 springs at something like £8 each mounts up...
I know a lot of guys with Leon Cupra R's (I used to have a SEAT and I spend a bit of time on SEATCupra.net) but most of them go for Revo / APR / Jabba chips to get anywhere from 265 - 290 bhp
I know a lot of guys with Leon Cupra R's (I used to have a SEAT and I spend a bit of time on SEATCupra.net) but most of them go for Revo / APR / Jabba chips to get anywhere from 265 - 290 bhp
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