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Alex Postan

Alex Postan

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The owner of Evo magazine, Harry Metcalfe, lives in our village and last year he treated his Ferrari 575, Bentley Type R and his wife's Range Rover to the Permagard treatment. The results have been so positive that I have had the treatment done to my Cayman.

The attraction to me, someone who prefers to spanner and not to polish, is that the process combines a professional vehicle preparation and then an application with a coating that means that all you need to do is to hose it down to keep it clean. I hate the endless routine of wash, polish and wash again - but I do like to see a gleaming car.

I am not impartial because I have known the head guy of Permagard in the UK since the 1980's so you can dismiss this endorsement if you wish.

Give it a go, call Mike Perry on 0207 473 0099 or visit

www.permagard.info



 
I'm looking into some sort of paint protection for my forthcoming Cayman S. I've currently got a car with Supagard and the paintwork is still like new after two years with not a single stone chip. There is no sign of fading (it's a black car) and it's very easy to clean.

From what I can tell of Permgard, it's actually a plastic film. Coudl this become brittle of yellow after a few years? What about scratches (as it's plastic)? And how much would it cost for one car?
 
How does Permaguard differ from Supaguard, Autoglym Lifetime etc?

In my experience, these systems provide an expensive valet that looks good for a while, but a few months later you wonder why you bothered. Some do come with 'guarantees', but I'm not sure whether they have any value.
 

From what I can tell of Permgard, it's actually a plastic film. Coudl this become brittle of yellow after a few years? What about scratches (as it's plastic)? And how much would it cost for one car?
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It's not a plastic film, it is a polymer that is applied to the surface after it has been specially cleaned. Permagard di my car and it took them from 9:00 until 2:00. The price was around £150 and the warranty last for a year at whcih time they recommend that it is redone. This seems to compare quite well with the prices that professional valeters charge to come along and polish your car with a traditional wax.

The main application of this process has been aviation and marine - it's only now coming into the automotive field. The aviation position is quite interesting because airworthiness certification requires the paint surface to be part of the securoty of the airframe and polish is forbidden because it can remove some of the paint surface - the polymer is a coating and is therefore permitted. Apparently some operators have reported a reduction in fuel burnt per hour after the application of a polymer layer. I have not seen the figures so can't confirm this...

Judging by the success that they have had with Harry's cars, I'm converted.
 
ORIGINAL: oliver

How does Permaguard differ from Supaguard, Autoglym Lifetime etc?

In my experience, these systems provide an expensive valet that looks good for a while, but a few months later you wonder why you bothered. Some do come with 'guarantees', but I'm not sure whether they have any value.
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Yes, that is entirely possible - the efoort put in to start with is obviously important whatever process you are using. Ask me again in three months time.
 
ORIGINAL: oliver

In my experience, these systems provide an expensive valet that looks good for a while, but a few months later you wonder why you bothered. Some do come with 'guarantees', but I'm not sure whether they have any value.
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Totally agree with you on this one after seeing 3 Supaguard examples on past fleet cars of ours. I had my doubts when the guy did the "water test" after finishing each car. The test was to chuck a bucket of water over the bonnet and check it ran staright off (like any "conventionally just waxed" cars would IMO) [:D]

Needles to say several months later the water no longer dispersed in the same fashion despite the guy suggesting it would still be doing this up to 3 years later![:'(]
 
Mu supaguard lasted one week on a previosu car - i hated the fact it didn't bead water after a single wash.

Rejex is alos a polymer sealant that you apply yourself like a wax, quite good but again it doesn't bead water for months on end.

There is no wonder product i'm afraid, but if you just wanta reasonably clean looking car with minimal maintenance then these products are OK. everyone has a different opinion of what is a 'clean' car
 
Everything I've read about Permagard sounds good and as mentioned about for £150 it's worth a try. Our all black Cooper S is a nightmare to keep clean and I would definitely like to give it a try... just followed the link but they have no agents in the NW though [:mad:]
 
I must admit that i've had a positive experience with Supagard on my black Beemer. Here are pictures of it after 2 years of Supagard from new:

http://www.evoke.plus.com/BMW530iSEAuto/index_gallery.html

It's never been waxed or polished - just a quick wash every now and then. The water still beads off and the car is kept outside, not garaged, so is exposed to the elements 24 hours a day. The only thing I have stuck to is using only the Supagard cleaning products that were given to me by the BMW dealer - I think this is quite important to maintain the 3-year Supagard warranty. How much difference is there between that and a waxed car?
 
I know a chap in the NW whom does permagard (if i'm not mistaken), or is in the process of setting up as an franchise for them.
 
North west, permagard manchester south now established and will be operating from a static site in Bredbury, Stockport from week commencing 6/3/06.

Telephone contact name and number: graham, 07921 355600.

Nick.
 
Thanks for the pics rumba - certainly looks to be like new 2 years on.

I understand permaguard is buffed off with a rotary buffer - no thank you. It might be down to the diligence of the operator but i wouldn't want a buffer on a 6 year old car, never mind a new one
 
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