Porsche Paint

[Guest]

Am I the only person who feels the paint work on Boxters has a lot to be desired? I am on my third Boxter S one silver one speed yellow and my current Midnight Blue. My cars get used, it is my business car I do about 15 to 20K miles a year. My current car has more stone chips than I care to think about and it scratches so easly that a cat with dirty paws pscratches on the front offside wing just by jumping up on the car. The so called "matalic" finish only shows if the car is spotless, under helagen lights or in full brilliant sun light. The finish is more like "doom blue"! A year before I bought the Boxter I changed my wifes car, to a BMW 1 series in black it went back after two years with 35,000miles on the clock and hardly a stone chipor scratch to be found. I think when my car was sprayed they run out of sparkel, a friend has a landcruser in almost the same colour as Porsche Midnight Blue put the two cars side by side and his make my car look positively dull, He is a farmer, his car has 50+ k on the clock gets driven mostly over farm land is always covered in mud never sees polish and has not a scratch or stone chip anywere. So to sum up not a very good colour range to choose from and in my mind poor quality paint. When I mentioned this to my dealer he said " did you have the paint protector"? No I said , well it make the car shine a lot more and stops stone chips and light scratches and is worth every penny! Well I said when I pay £47,000 for a car I would not expect to have to pay extra for a paint protector!
Rodney Collins

 

[Mark_Bennett]

I cannot do anything other than agree...[&o]

 

[daro911]

ORIGINAL: Rodney Collins

When I mentioned this to my dealer he said " did you have the paint protector"? No I said , well it make the car shine a lot more and stops stone chips and light scratches and is worth every penny!
Rodney Collins

Sounds like he was in sales mode or wind up mode either way he is talking absolute 100% boll*x [&o]

 

[MARK H.]

Got to say i agree, when you spend that sort of cash the paintwork should be top class. I wiped a bird poo off with a wet micro fibre cloth and it left swirl marks on the paintwork!!!
I'm seriously thinking about going back to an Audi.........have you seen the new R8....WOW!
I know this will make me popular....but what with RMS, blocking drainage hole's, leaves in the front grills rusting the rads, poor quality disc's, trailing arm problems, coolant header tank leaks and rumblings from the rear worries, i've got to say that the 3 1/2 years i've owed my fully specked £50,000 Boxster S.....I've spent most of the time waiting for something to go wrong landing me with a large bill!!....... I shouldn't have to keep checking my garage floor every time i go out and the bleedin leaves should be cleared out as part of the service! I have to say that things like this take alot away from the joys of ownership!
I had an Audi TT for over 2 years and had none of these worries ever! The one time i had a small problem, a bloke came to my home in an Audi Estate fixed it within minutes and Audi sent me a £50 voucher to put towards my next service or other merchandise, for my trouble!
I've had to take my Boxster S back to the garage 4 times during the warranty period and once since for minor problems (loose parking sensor, problem with BOSE speaker, and leaking Air-Con gas which took two trips to sort, which was due to a pipe being crimped / puctured during manufacture). It's a 160 mile round trip each time because i live in cornwall but did anyone even offer a voucher or to fill up my fuel tank!!!.....Not a chance! And each trip is a whole day taken up from my time off work!
And yes i agree the drive is better in the Boxster......but there is a price to pay!
There...said it now......now i'm ducking behind something hard!!

 

[ianfiat]

Isn't the paint on any brand of car of a lesser quality these days because they all use water based paints ?

 

[MARK H.]

Yes....But i get the impression other manufacturers put a thinker coat of paint and lacquer on!!!!

 

[richardheeley]

ORIGINAL: MARK H.

Got to say i agree, when you spend that sort of cash the paintwork should be top class. I wiped a bird poo off with a wet micro fibre cloth and it left swirl marks on the paintwork!!!
I'm seriously thinking about going back to an Audi.........have you seen the new R8....WOW!
I know this will make me popular....but what with RMS, blocking drainage hole's, leaves in the front grills rusting the rads, poor quality disc's, trailing arm problems, coolant header tank leaks and rumblings from the rear worries, i've got to say that the 3 1/2 years i've owed my fully specked £50,000 Boxster S.....I've spent most of the time waiting for something to go wrong landing me with a large bill!!....... I shouldn't have to keep checking my garage floor every time i go out and the bleedin leaves should be cleared out as part of the service! I have to say that things like this take alot away from the joys of ownership!
I had an Audi TT for over 2 years and had none of these worries ever! The one time i had a small problem, a bloke came to my home in an Audi Estate fixed it within minutes and Audi sent me a £50 voucher to put towards my next service or other merchandise, for my trouble!
I've had to take my Boxster S back to the garage 4 times during the warranty period and once since for minor problems (loose parking sensor, problem with BOSE speaker, and leaking Air-Con gas which took two trips to sort, which was due to a pipe being crimped / puctured during manufacture). It's a 160 mile round trip each time because i live in cornwall but did anyone even offer a voucher or to fill up my fuel tank!!!.....Not a chance! And each trip is a whole day taken up from my time off work!
And yes i agree the drive is better in the Boxster......but there is a price to pay!
There...said it now......now i'm ducking behind something hard!!

Sorry to say that I agree with you Mark. I had an early Boxster S which was perfect for five years - although it did get loads of stone chips. This was followed by a Cayman S with faulty PASM and my most recent Cayman S is on its THIRD steering rack - and it's only six months old. Porsche may currently have an enviable reputation, but as a BBC employee, I know more than most how quickly a good reputation can be lost. Porsche need to be careful and start building their cars properly. Audi already do. Just as well Porsche are busy buying up Audi's parent company.

 

[Guest]

Sorry Ian I can't agree with that, as I said in my original post, the black series 1 BMW had hardly a make on it when it went back to the lease company with 35k miles, and balck is one of the easiest colours to deteriorate with stone chips etc. My daughter has a 5 year old Suzki Vitara in black, the paint work is better than my Boxter S which will be two years old on the 2nd on Jan 2008 and has 31k on the clock.

Rodney Collins

 

[daro911]

ORIGINAL: ianfiat

Isn't the paint on any brand of car of a lesser quality these days because they all use water based paints ?

In a word "NO"[]

We have BMW's Jags MINI's Mercs to name a few and none seem to suffer the same paint problems as Porsche so maybe thats where some of the massive profits are made .... in the spray gun departments

 

[Guest]

In reply to Richard when my Boxter S was 13 months old with 19k on the clock I fancied a Camen S I looked at a demonstrater which was at my official Porsche dealers with less than 5% off the full retail price of a new one with the same high spec and 3500 mile on the clock. I was ready to do a deal until the saleman phoned me with a price for my car £28,000!! against a £55,800 Camen S. That is a loss to me of £19,600 in 13 months. when I chalanged this the salesman infered that his customers have no problem loosing that sort of money. So from what you say Richard re the reliablity of the Camen S perhaps it was a good thing I never changed. I did meet someone who worked for the Porsche dealer concerened ( he's now selling BMW's) he told my that they will not do a deal unless there is a minimum of £10,000 profit in the car they take in.God we must be fools!

Rodney Collins ( wealth managment consultant)!!!!

 

[MARK H.]

Funny enough i also figured out that they offer you £10,000 less than the price they would re-sell at, after spending the day at the OPC on one of my trips there!
I enquired how much to trade my Boxster S in towards a 911, now that there are 3 of us!!
What surprises me is how they go on about high residual prises when their selling you the car, then when you go to trade it in it's a different story!!
I worked out that the offer they made me was about £10,000 less than they would mark it up!!
It was easy to work out when comparing the spec's, mileage, age and condition of all the Boxsters etc in their show room.
I have to say, not only was the offer insulting but i was more insulted that he thought i'd believe the c**p excuses for the low price coming from his mouth!!!!
I would have respected them more if they had just said "you'll get alot more if you sell privately."

 

[Guest]

I have owned cars since 1963 in all that time I have only managed to sell two cars privately, a 1953 MG TDmk2 and two years ago a BMW 520 estate in mint condition as are all my cars, for £9,995. I tryed to sell my 911 (996) Targa with no sucsess. So I sucummed to the ususal huge loss via a dealer.To sell valuable cars privately I think you have to be very lucky.

Rodney Collins.

 

[richardheeley]

I'm afraid I have to agree with Rodney. I've discovered that after a certain price point (probably around 20k), it gets very difficult to sell cars privately. It's too much money for buyers to risk, so, sadly, the dealers step in to bridge the gap and we all end up the losers.

 

[Dylan1]

God we must be fools!

if we change too frequently/soon we most certainly are-unless of course as one reply suggests-we can afford it-then it obviously doesnt matter[]
when my mint cayman s was 12 months old i was offered 38k against a new 997TT at 110k!(loss of nearly 16k in a year)
as you can see i still have the atlas grey beauty[]

 

[daro911]

ORIGINAL: dyllan

God we must be fools!

when my mint cayman s was 12 months old i was offered 38k against a new 997TT at 110k!(loss of nearly 16k in a year)
as you can see i still have the atlas grey beauty[]

Had you done the deal imagine how little the 997TT would have become worth [] ... I knew of a 3 year old 996TT "S" 15K miles [with far too many extras cost over £110K new] mint and immaculate was PX'd against a new 997TT for £55K!

This was sometime ago when the 997TT had just hit the streets so today the 996TT would have been worth a lot less again [&o]

The OPC were selling the px'd 996TT for only a small profit £69999.00

 

[Guest]

You must have all noticed that Porsche are opperating a cartell, I seem to recall that Mercedes had a masive fine some years ago for controling the price of their cars. How do Porsche get away with it? Have you ever asked for a discount? You just get laughed at. My Porsche dealer used to give a bottle of champagne and a bunch of flowers for my wife. When I picked up my last car on 2nd Jan 2006 nothing, when I ased where were the goodies I was told they had stoped doing due to cost!

Rodney Collins

 

[garyw]

I know what you mean Rodney, my salesman started explaining how much it cost the OPC if they were to provide free floor mats at a £100 per set...

I didn't go as far as to start to explain trade and retails costs to him and just said that after spending a few more zero on my Turbo I felt sure there was more than £100 for a set of floor mats.... that and the fact they had agreed to supply them when I had spec'ed the car [&:]

I'd be happy to leave the freebies for the service... a long wait I'd think for that though []

garyw

 

[MARK H.]

I've sold all my cars privately but agree the main trouble is getting someone to come and look at it. The first person to come though has always bought the car because i keep them so mint!