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Porsche UK courtesy car woes

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I've had a bit of a hassle today with the Porsche loaner/courtesy car service and wondered if anybody else's experiences with it are similar? I apologize upfront about the fact that this story has a slightly upset undertone; I'm still working on cooling down. [&o] Maybe I'm just not used to the local Porsche procedures and it'll be all dandy the next time around? Anyway, this is what happened today:

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Right, so here I am today, bringing my Boxster in for some warranty work. The appointment had to be rescheduled because West London Porsche requires 3 weeks notice in order to get a courtesy car. When rescheduling, all I was given was a date and an approximate time (in the morning). Despite the curious lack of any confirmation postcard or a phone call, my spirits are reasonably high as I walk into the door, expecting the usual procedure, i.e. bringing my car in, leaving key on the desk, signing a receipt with the usual clauses (insurance) for the loaner, grabbing the courtesy car keys and being off on my way again.

Now things start to get interesting. The first question I'm faced with is: "Did you sort out the insurance for the courtesy car?" - Huh? Slightly confused now, I'm learning that in order to take out a Porsche courtesy car, I have to add that car to my own insurance, in advance. Nevermind that I've taken out courtesy and loaner cars in 3 countries over the last few years, incl. the UK, and NEVER had to pre-arrange insurance myself let alone change my own policy. Audi can do it. Why not Porsche?

Anyways I am told that I should have been told in advance, as well as given the vehicle details. I'm pointing out the hassle factor and asking politely for a better solution, so the Porsche representative researches a brandnew software which allegedly allows Porsche to catch up to the rest of the world in loaner car procedures, namely booking the car and insurance on the spot, for the customer.

During the wait, I'm getting more worried and, following a sudden intuition, I step up to the front desk asking if there is any restriction on the type of drivers license one uses for loaner cars (not really expecting any problems as I have both a full EEC - German - and US license which have always been accepted in the UK so far). Alas, indeed, the rep looks abashed and tells me that I need a UK or Irish license in order to be booked into their insurance system.
At that point, I am faced with a choice of no courtesy car or trying to scramble and get the car added to my own insurance right there. So I bite the bullet (really really need a car today... already being late for work), and embark upon the quest to contact my insurance and get the loaner covered. Luckily the Porsche staff can help to find out the contact phone number and I'm connected to a friendly insurance rep who has a computer problem today (doh). In a lengthy ordeal, we (Porsche rep and I) try to match up the courtesy-Audi's data with the reluctant insurance database and finally get the car added and a confirmation fax arranged. I'm reaching a high stress level now as it's not particularly pleasant to shout my personal details into a bad phone connection in the middle of the showroom and trying to re-arrange my insurance.

So finally I get to the point where I show my license, sign a paper of sorts, get the loaner keys and am pointed towards a parking spot. I get no copy of the contract nor do we walk around the loaner to confirm it's not damaged (for liability reasons). Slightly uneasy about that but pressed for time now, I get in the car - an Audi 1.9 TDI automatic - and turn the ignition key. Immediately I'm am greeted by a bright gas pump warning light. You gotta be kidding me? They give me a car without gas? The Porsche rep confirms that's policy alright. Courtesy cars are not refilled and it's the customer's duty to get sufficient petrol to drive around. Uh... right... why oh why didn't I think of bringing a gallon worth of Diesel to the appointment?

Well I got home, but I'm really concerned whether I'll make it to the gas station once I'm heading out to work today. Should probably load my rollerskates into the trunk as a precaution. Man, I sure hope this gets easier in time.
 
Many mainstream comprehensive policies now provide automatic cover on a courtesy car when your own car is being serviced or repaired.

My experience with fuel is that most courtesy cars do come with low fuel, or the tank contents are indicated on a form and the user is asked to return the car with the same amount of fuel. Several Car Rental firms used to operate an 'empty to empty' policy but it is frought with problems. 'Full to full' is far more sensible.

My experience with Porsche West London (formerly AFN) is that they are a big, busy organisation and, apart from when Jeff Moyes was there, I've always felt far more comfortable using the provincial OPCs.
 
Thanks for the feedback Oliver. Being with an online insurance , they don't seem to offer automatic loaner cover if the car is given by the dealership. In general, I'm just a bit unhappy about the hassle factor and would rather be billed a few pounds upfront to get a reasonably filled gas tank than fearing to get stranded on my way to the pump as it is now.

I'm hoping there is a simpler way such as pre-registering my details, insurance data, license and credit card and then just printing a contract on the fly the day I need a car (pre-booking some fuel, if need be).

So far my experience with West London Porsche has been excellent. It's a very friendly and helpful staff, and other work has been performed very quickly and well, with no complaints at all. The courtesy car is the first hassle factor I've run into with them, and I think that's not due to staff problems or lack of quality in their work, but due to awkward policies.
 
My insurance company always requires me to declare the details of the courtesy car, which I have done on the day of collecting the courtesy car.

I had a warranty repair last month at Porsche Guildford and they gave me a car which was 1/3 full. When I returned I was slightly less than 1/3 but nowhere close to 1/4 and they made me pay £5 cash on the spot with the comment that fuel prices are really high and they cannot overlook this. I did ask why they do not give me a full tank as it is easier to fill a tank full then to match the needle to what it was; he didn't care to reply.
 
In my experience it's standard practice to stick the loaner on your insurance. Handy to get the details of the car in advance to avoid waiting on the phone. Also there is the option to take out dealer insurance for a nominal £25 or so.

I've never had a loaner given to me out of fuel but I'll put my hand up to taking one back running on fumes!
 
When they took your booking and agreed to provide a loan car, did they give you details of the loan car - Type, Reg No, market value?

If they did - well that was a clue!

If they didn't - well how could they expect you to insure it?

Guildford OPC lent me a Cayenne recently. A truely horrible vehicle. 16 miles to the gallon - so I wasn't surprised to get it on empty - I couldn't wait to get the Boxster back.

Pat

 
I only have experience of a loaner from Reading when I had an oil leak repaired under warranty.

I was told at the time of booking I would get an A3 and was given all the necessary details. When I turned up on the appointed day there was a problem I was told. The A3 was not available and would I accept a Boxster in stead. The decision took all of half a nano second but fortunately my insurance covers any vehicle provided as a loaner during service so that was not a problem.

The car was very low on fuel with a low fuel light. I splashed out for £10.0 of Kuwait's finest only to see the fuel gauge show 3/4 full. Next time when I started the car it showed empty again and did so for the remainder of the two days I had it. Fortunately I new I had put in enough for the two days so I did not worry about running. I did mention the fault though when returning the car.
 
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ORIGINAL: THX911

I had a warranty repair last month at Porsche Guildford and they gave me a car which was 1/3 full. When I returned I was slightly less than 1/3 but nowhere close to 1/4 and they made me pay £5 cash on the spot

[:eek:] This really shows up the greed of OPC's IMO [:mad:] bearing in mind there filthy practices of short filling cars of oil, rounding up hours worked, and bumging in the odd misc charges etc yes I can see why a few litres of liquid gold would bother that kind :rolleyes:
 
I got a loan boxster from Reading with just over half a tank. I used it for the 90 mile round trip to home and back whilst they had my car for three days. I didn't put any fuel in because I didn't use it for any other purpose. They didn't complain so I have no arguments. They told me the reg number etc when I booked my car in which was the clue that I needed to tell my insurance company (usefully I use a broker so it was easy).
 
I've sorted out the insurance on my policy when I've had loan cars in the past.

However, I find the hassle of doing this, and checking no dings on the car when I collect it, is a pain.

As I mostly just want a car to take me to the office and back, I now ask for a driver to drop me back at the office, and come and collect me later. Lancasters, at Colchester, do this happily - to Ipswich. The local Honda and Fiat dealers also do this. Suits my needs very well.

Alternatively, I believe Lancasters also have some special offers where they will drive you to Hintlesham Hall for a complimentary round of golf or lunch, and pick you up afterwards. So one can make having your car serviced an excuse for a day away from the office!
 
>> When they took your booking and agreed to provide a loan car, did they give you details of the loan car - Type, Reg No, market value?

Pat, I wasn't told anything at the time of booking aside from an approximate time (early morning) and that I needed a drivers license for a loaner car. Thus, nothing spoiled the full effect of my surprise that morning, in addition to the fact that I encountered the bring-your-own-insurance procedure for the very first time in my vehicle owner life.

Richard, just asking the Porsche shuttle to bring me to the office or home and pick me up again is actually a great idea, seeing that the OPC is right between my home and office, and either way can't be more than 3 miles or so. Will try that next. I bought my Boxster in Colchester at Lancaster Porsche by the way and was very happy with the service (got my car delivered to my door in central London).

All, thanks for the replies. It seems that using your own insurance is a common procedure for Porsche courtesy cars after all and I better get used to it if I can't arrange a shuttle ride. [:(] But hopefully next time I'll get the necessary details in time so I don't have the hassle at 7:45am when still trying to wake up and groping for my first Cappucino. Well, there's always hope for future process improvements.

The work was done in due time and my baby was squeaky clean when I picked her up today. Returning the loaner was much easier than getting my hands on it in the first place. In fact, so easy both parties completely forgot about it until I was halfway out the door and realized I still had the loaner key in my purse. [;)]

 
Got given a diesel Gold on empty too!!! Complete lack of customer care thrown in for free!!
 
Just read this correspondence - recently took my S to OPC Newcastle for warranty work and was asked to sign a form to take Porsche insurance but was not charged - presumably the OPC charged Porsche ! Incidently, this OPC did supply my car - perhaps that makes a difference.
 

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