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PSE has arrived!

Hendrikus

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Finally, the PSE equipped Gen 2 is back, from Cambridge OPC.

Total cost (after Porsche Club discount) was around £1800. The parts cost around £1200, with £600 or so of labour. Mine was the first they had fitted, so would be interested to hear what others have paid.

Anyway, putting cost aside, it is bloody awesome! And having a new button to press is fun too!

Hendrikus.
 
I don't think anyone else has had one retrofitted yet (to compare cost) as they seem to rarer than rocking horse s**t! That is about what I have been quoted though. Glad you like the sound of it![:)] If Cambridge have any spare can they send one over to Exeter, please[:D]
 
Lucky you! I know how good its sound too, having heard it recently on a C2S!

No idea when Swindon are going to get my PSE in! Apparently, Porsche are shipping just 10 PSE kits per week, to the world, at the moment [:mad:]

Probably get it in November, just in time for for the car's winter hibernation [:'(]
 
I went to my OPC yesterday to find out the cost of the PSE and was told £2300 fitted but as PCGB member would have 10% discount. How do Cambridge do it for 1800?

I had a test drive of their demonstrator coupe S with PSE fitted and from inside the cabin I was underwelmed!! Did not seem noticeable noiser than my non PSE S cab. The delaer principal and my salesman suggested that the new kit was not worth the money.
 
IMO, of all the official PSEs available on all the various Porsche models over the last 15 years, the most impressive system upgrade has been the one for the 996.
 

ORIGINAL: oliver

IMO, of all the official PSEs available on all the various Porsche models over the last 15 years, the most impressive system upgrade has been the one for the 996.

That maybe because the 996 version was not subject to new EC regulations about noise levels at 25 - 40 mph. The present system is muted at those speeds but it is possible to overcome that by removing the control so that it is always 'live'. Of course, that defeats the object of it being switcherable. I did that on my Cayman and got fed up with the noise at 70 mph on the motorway. I have yet to fully check out the rpm range and hence sound of my present PSE, but so far it is better than the standard exhaust. As for value for money, that is entirely up to the individual's financial situation.
 
The PSE I had on the 996 was slightly louder than the PSE on my current 997 yes.
I cut the diode on the 996, so that it wouldn't cut out between 20 and 40mph I think it was, so it sounded lovely when accelerating.

I think the 997 PSE is well worth the money (Can't speak for the Gen 2 version as I haven't heard it yet).
It's still very loud, and around 2k revs when you're just cruising, there's a lovely burble.

Remember the OPC demo car doesn't have the brown plug removed so you won't get to hear it all the time.
Disconnecting that brown plug is essential to getting the most out of the PSE.

So well worth it!

PS; I hear that the sound changes on the PSE after a few months from fitting, as it runs in so to speak. After 2 months, mine sounds nearly as good as the old 996 version.
 
ORIGINAL: jonathanw

I had a test drive of their demonstrator coupe S with PSE fitted and from inside the cabin I was underwelmed!! Did not seem noticeable noiser than my non PSE S cab. The delaer principal and my salesman suggested that the new kit was not worth the money.

www.carnewal.com Gert did an amazing sounding / costing conversion to my standard Porsche exhaust and I now very much replicate a 996PSE he also offers the factory PSE for 997 Gen 2 and a much more cost effective alternative which if it is as good as the job he did on my car would be the way I would go again for sure. Back to back test done and this is the conclusion reached.

"I finally got to hear one of these Carnewal exhausts at the weekend and do a back to back comparison with the PSE I have on my car. Both cars tested were 2005 model year 987 Boxster S models (3.2), so its the best like for like comparison. Bear in mind also that I have the overide mod , so the PSE was tested without the 20-40 mph cut out found on other PSE systems , and remained open or "loud" throughout the test. Both cars were driven is succession by each driver over the same 10 mile route.

Initial start up :

The Carnewal exhaust gives a nice sharp crackle at start up , and then settles down to a deep burble

The PSE exhaust doesn't seem to allow the crackles and pops to exit the tailpipe but seems just a little deeper in note at tickover.

With the PSE valves closed , the exhaust is quieter than the standard silencers but there is still a nice deep quiet but reserved tone

The standard exhuast sounds more turbine like than sporty.


Revving :

The Carnewal is sharp and crisp , when revved the exhaust allows all the crackles and pops to be heard but the exhaust never sounds harsh even at high revs.

The PSE damps the pops and crackles of the ovverun more than the carnewal , but they can still be heard. At higher revs the exhaust is a harder sound, more race car like.

With the PSE valves closed the engine sound seems louder than the exhuast , the exhuast allows very little noise to exit the car.

The standard exhaust has a tuned note , louder than the PSE with closed valves.

Driving :

Under load conditions (climbing a hill in 3rd) between 2,500 and 3,500 rpm

The carnewal gives a nice deep note, not overbearing inside the cabin , certainly not boomy like a Remus. The engine sounds a bigger capacity than a 3.2 , much closer to a 3.4 or 3.6 996. Definitely a true "Porsche" sound.
The deepness of the exhuast note seems to be apparent over a wide reve range from 2,000 to 3,500 rpm.

The PSE gives a slightly more resonant note , again not boomy , but doesn't seem to keep the deepness of the tone as the revs move from the sweet spot at 3000 rpm . On a motorway I prefer to switch off the PSE as 70 mph is the resonant point.

The PSE in inactive mode allows the engine note to be heard but is much more subdued

The standard exhaust allows the driver to hear the engine but only when at the sweet spot , at other times there is a tuned exhaust note but never deep.

Through the gears :

The carnewal scores points here, the exhaust is so well made and fettled that you could be mistaken for a 3.4 or 3.6 996 from the sound. The exhaust gives a clear sharp note through the rev range and a nice crackle on the overun. At higher rpms the engine and exhaust give a cohesive symphony though equally matched. The exhaust is louder when the engine is being worked , but returns to a quiet and less noticeable humm when being driven more sedately.

The PSE is a real Jeckyll and Hyde item. It gives a nice deep note but does seem to be less characteristic of a Porsche flat six sound initially. Certainly better than the standard exhaust. At higher rpms the exhaust allows vitrually all the engine sound to be heard, it sounds more like a race or rally car and allows the full frenzy of the engine to be heard. Drive at high rpm's in a PSE equipped car and everyone will hear you coming.

With the PSE switched off the engine note only really becomes apparent at high rpms , you need to work the engine hard to get any real effect from the exhaust.

The standard exhaust gives better feedback to the driver than the PSE when switched off, the exhaust works in harmony with the engine note but never really stirs the soul.


Overall Conclusion:

For the money we both agreed that the carnewal gives excellent results. The sound is definitely more "porsche flat six" than the PSE or the other aftermarket systems I've heard. It's possibly not as "race car" sounding at higher revs as the PSE and obviously isn't switchable but it certainly gives a good overall improvement from standard. Both systems can be "lived with" on an everyday basis and are never boomy or tiresome at motorway speeds (especailly with PSE deactive). Most people that buy the PSE leave it switched on, the fact it's quieter than the standard exhaust when deactive is probably the main reason why. The Carnewal seems to give a much more consistent sound improvment throughout the rev range than the PSE , which gives maximum effect at tickover and high rpms. Unless you can be bothered with the hassle of finding and fitting a full PSE, the Carnewal is by far the best improvment on standard I've heard to date. Not as extreme as other exhausts , but a lot cheaper, still giving good improvements , and accepatable for everyday use."
 
Robert

The big problem with a non Porsche exhaust is the warranty issue. I will stick with the standard setup and save a few pounds.
 
ORIGINAL: jonathanw

Robert

The big problem with a non Porsche exhaust is the warranty issue. I will stick with the standard setup and save a few pounds.

Jonathan

I take your point fully and should I change up to a 988 come 2011 I would have to go for the official option or wait until out of warranty like this car is.

One of the only advantages of the credit crunch [:D] for the first time since 1979 I am running a regular Porsche model officially out of warranty but due to very low miles and FPSH would hope to get a good will claim if ever needed. Only other exception to date is I ran a 911 Speedster for 13 years and as Porsche GB modified the standard rear box on that Speedster to make it "more sporty" and free revving I could use that as a good basic argument for modifying my current standard end boxes heaven forbid the ocassion should ever arise :ROFLMAO:
 
My OPC did this for me for free. It took then only a few minutes. I got fed up with the noise on the motorway and got them to reconnect the plug a month later. Again no charge.
 
Removing the brown plug gives you "full noise" all of the time avoiding the 25-40 quiet mode but it can get a a bit tiresome on a long journey and it is a hassle to have to open the engine compartment to reconnect the plug (It is only a 5 second job to connect/disconnect the plug)). A PCGB member has come up with an overide solution which places a switch in the circuit which is the equivilent of removing and reconnecting the brown plug. Apart from overcoming the 25-40 quiet zone it also enables operation of the PSE without having to use the Sport button and therefore avoiding the more aggressive throttle mapping which, personally, I do not like.

See this link for more details (It is for a Boxster but the wiring is the same)

Terry

http://www.porscheclubgbforum.com/tm.asp?m=462561&mpage=1&key=&#463185

 

ORIGINAL: Terry

A PCGB member has come up with an overide solution which places a switch in the circuit which is the equivilent of removing and reconnecting the brown plug. Apart from overcoming the 25-40 quiet zone it also enables operation of the PSE without having to use the Sport button and therefore avoiding the more aggressive throttle mapping which, personally, I do not like.


Please note that with Gen 2 one has a separate switch for PSE and thus you can select PSE without having to use the Sport button and the more agressive throttle mapping.
 
Removing the brown plug simply results in deactivating the control from the PSE solenoid , so the exhaust stays in loud mode all the time. I have a 987 boxster (same wiring as the cayman) and have installed a manual overide switch to allow the PSE to be permanently active (loud) or revert back to factory setting. I have made up a loom so that it plugs into the existing cars wiring without the need to cut any existing wires...therefore completely reversible. The switch can be located out of sight in the center console ash tray or a more accessible location under the handbrake.The manual overide ensures the PSE doesnt revert to quiet mode between 20 and 40 mph and if left switched "on" doesn't require a reset every time the car is started. Since the control circuit is effectively switched off to make the PSE loud , leaving the overide button in the "on " position doesnt take any power when the engine is switched off. Fitting the overide switch and loom takes only a couple of hours on a cayman/ boxster , a little longer on the 911.

The golden advantage of fitting a switch is that you can revert back to a quiet mode for long motorway journies where the boom from the PSE can become tiresome , or if you want to press on quickly without bringing attention to yourself. Having just returned from a 4,000 mile tour of europe , I can honestly say it was nice to have the switchable unit on the car.
 

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