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[964RS]

These questions (or myths) will keep you busy and this may run on and on and on.....(and I don't know the answers)

1. Are there any single owner 964 RS vehicles and owners on this forum?
2. Is it true that there was no struts or even a stay bar fitted to the front bonnet lid as standard?
3. Is it true that there were no struts fitted to the engine lid as standard?
4. Were there any spacers/adapters fitted to the Magnesium wheels as standard?
5. What was the type of centre originally fitted to the Magnesium wheels?
6. Were wheels colour-coded as an option?
7. Was there a tyre compressor included with the car?
8. What items were in the tool roll?
9. Were there 2051 vehicles made in total?

 

[Bertroex]

In the depths of my study I have the original porsche RS supplement of the 964 workshop manual. I'll try and source it and report back.

I posted earlier that most of this info might have been available in the basic books, but these do seem to be quite "deep" questions....

Ok, lets see this as a challenge then[]

Bert

 

[964RS]

Bert,

Great that you are going to take up the challenge. I too have the RS Supplement. I have seen references to these items on various web-sites but they need verifying. There seems to be very little in the books I have researched. I feel sure that several answers can only be obtained from people who recall purchasing the cars new or who have an unaltered car. The cars are in the region of 15 years old this year and if you compare the cars they all have minor changes, tweaks and additions from standard.

(If you all contribute to my "Buy the Hairpin Red RS Fund" then, as most likely, the most original car available: some answers will be obvious!)

 

[Bertroex]

ORIGINAL: 964RS

These questions (or myths) will keep you busy and this may run on and on and on.....(and I don't know the answers)

1. Are there any single owner 964 RS vehicles and owners on this forum?
2. Is it true that there was no struts or even a stay bar fitted to the front bonnet lid as standard?

Training manual indicates: "to support the luggage compartment lid when open, there is a support rod on the left hand side"

3. Is it true that there were no struts fitted to the engine lid as standard?
Training manual makes no mention, so "I" assume it is as per Model Year 1992 Carrera 2

4. Were there any spacers/adapters fitted to the Magnesium wheels as standard?
Training manual doesn't mention any spacers

5. What was the type of centre originally fitted to the Magnesium wheels?
Training manual depicts the silver porsche crest as centre
6. Were wheels colour-coded as an option?
Training manual makes the distinction between the Basic, Touring and Race package (m003) version. None of these version lists colour coding for wheels as an option, in fact for the touring it states "no other optional extras are possible".

7. Was there a tyre compressor included with the car?
Training manual does not mention anything and it is worth differentiating between basic, touring and m003. I presume that touring is as per carrera 2 spec but once again, training manual does not mention this info.

8.What items were in the tool roll?
Training manual does not mention anything
9. Were there 2051 vehicles made in total?
Paul Frere mentions year 1992: 2391 ex 964 Carrera RS coupe, lightweight super sport version of carrera 2, 17 inch wheels
year 1993: 100 ex of 964 Carrera RS 3.8 Coupe(including RSR) as carrera RS but with wide-fender body, 102 mm bore, 18 inch wheels

Hope this is a start![]

Bert

 

[Bertroex]

ORIGINAL: 964RS
I have seen references to these items on various web-sites but they need verifying. There seems to be very little in the books I have researched.

Hello Paul,

So very true. In year to come I presume that Georg Konradsheim will have to expand his tome on the 2.7 RS with the 964 and 993 versions as there is such an amount of mis-information flying around. Starting with the basics, ie the porsche litterature, and building knowledge from there within a club such as PCGB is super.(but this being PCGB also a bit unleaded perhaps [][])

I for myself wouldn't mind investing time in "the carrera files" or something such like for the carrera 2.7 and carrera 3.0, as Porsche AG never kept any RHD figures (worldwide)

Good luck, and incidentally, related to D. John Ward of turbo register fame?

Best regards,


Bert

 

[carreraboy]

ORIGINAL: 964RS

These questions (or myths) will keep you busy and this may run on and on and on.....(and I don't know the answers)

1. Are there any single owner 964 RS vehicles and owners on this forum?NOT THAT I'M AWARE BUT PERFORMANCE PIG HAVE A 4,800 MILE CAR FOR SALE
2. Is it true that there was no struts or even a stay bar fitted to the front bonnet lid as standard? STAY BAR ONLY
3. Is it true that there were no struts fitted to the engine lid as standard? YES STRUTS ON ENGINE LID
4. Were there any spacers/adapters fitted to the Magnesium wheels as standard? YES THIS WAS A FACTORY OPTION
5. What was the type of centre originally fitted to the Magnesium wheels? PLAIN SILVER OR COLOUR CRESTED PORSCHE LOGO
6. Were wheels colour-coded as an option? YES TO MATCH BODY OR ANY OTHER COLOUR ALL VARIANTS, AS WERE SEAT BACKS ON THE LIGHTWEIGHT/BASICS ONLY
7. Was there a tyre compressor included with the car? YES
8. What items were in the tool roll? YES
9. Were there 2051 vehicles made in total? THIS SEEMS CORRECT

 

[Bertroex]

ORIGINAL: carreraboy


9.Were there 2051 vehicles made in total? THIS SEEMS CORRECT

This is fascinating.
Peter Morgan quotes 2051 ex (no distinction btw basic, touring, M003) and mentions the RS3.8: "about 100 were made"
Paul Frere mentions the earlier mentioned
MY1992: 2391 ex
MY1993: 100 ex (inc RSR)

Marc Bongers mentions:
MY 1992
RS coupe: Production total inc M003: 2282ex
broken down as:
*Basic version 1916 ex
*Basic version RHD: 72ex
*Touring version (m002): 76ex
*Touring version (m002) RHD: 14ex
-----------------------------
Subtotal being 2078ex
RS coupe sports version N/GT: 290 EX

thus 2078+ 290ex= 2368ex?????

MY1993
RS 3.8 Coupe:
total number inclusive of RSR: 90ex

I can see where the confusion stems from. So, pour le sport, what are the production numbers and who is right?

All the best,


Bert

 

[carreraboy]

The factory don't even know!

 

[rskiwi]

Hi Paul,
all the questions seem to have been answered.
I wondered where that car got to. I took the photo you are using about 5 years ago, and it is the then owner standing next to it.
Did you buy it off him?
I know he told me later that it was a big mistake to sell.
It was one of the best 964 RS that I have seen, and the only one that I have seen with a later Chassis number to mine.
Jeff

 

[964rsdatabase]

Jeff

You can send the royalties to me as i was the one who supplied Paul with the photo. If you have any more of the same car, he would be more than grateful for a copy.

Regards
Martin

 

[964RS]

ORIGINAL: rskiwi

Hi Paul,
all the questions seem to have been answered.
I wondered where that car got to. I took the photo you are using about 5 years ago, and it is the then owner standing next to it.
Did you buy it off him?
I know he told me later that it was a big mistake to sell.
It was one of the best 964 RS that I have seen, and the only one that I have seen with a later Chassis number to mine.
Jeff

Thanks Jeff (and Martin)!

It is a photo from 2002 courtesy of Martin. Great that it has prompted a response. This forum is a great source of information. I was experimenting putting a pic on as my first avatar. Interesting to know that it is the owner in the pic. It was sold by Strasse in December 2002 to someone in Heckmondwike, Leeds. I bought it this September. It is a May 1993 car with a late chassis number as confirmed by Martin.

Some of the questions were prompted by the web-site of Harold Gan of Singapore which had comments about struts (he stated not fitted on engine lid!) and bonnet stay bar (he stated it was an option) and production numbers (he stated 2051) which I wanted to confirm. I'm still trying to find out what should be in the tool roll (cannot be sure I am not a spanner short of a full tool kit - pun intended). I assume that the compressor should be the one in a plastic case (sadly missing from my car). My wheel centres are the silver plastic type with Porsche relief printed in black - wanted to be sure that they are correct. The photo in the avatar shows the wheels as colour coded (now silver and I wanted to know it the car could possibly have been ordered with colour coded wheels). I have spacers fitted on the rear wheels which fill out the arches perfectly but wanted to know what the standard fitment was.

Thanks too to Des and Bert for raiding their filing cabinets!

Cheers!

 

[carreraboy]

The factory colour to match body wheels was on the 17" Magnesiums and the whole wheel painted....

My white car now sold to Rich Claridge came with 30mm factory rear spacers.

The tool kits should be the same as a standard 964 C2/4.

Other options were deleted glovebox and rear model badge....on the lightweight basics...

Some cars cam with factory A/C....not an official option but mainly spec'd by south European buyers...

 

[ChrisW]

ORIGINAL: Bertroex

ORIGINAL: carreraboy


9.Were there 2051 vehicles made in total? THIS SEEMS CORRECT

This is fascinating.
Peter Morgan quotes 2051 ex (no distinction btw basic, touring, M003) and mentions the RS3.8: "about 100 were made"
Paul Frere mentions the earlier mentioned
MY1992: 2391 ex
MY1993: 100 ex (inc RSR)

Marc Bongers mentions:
MY 1992
RS coupe: Production total inc M003: 2282ex
broken down as:
*Basic version 1916 ex
*Basic version RHD: 72ex
*Touring version (m002): 76ex
*Touring version (m002) RHD: 14ex
-----------------------------
Subtotal being 2078ex
RS coupe sports version N/GT: 290 EX

thus 2078+ 290ex= 2368ex?????

MY1993
RS 3.8 Coupe:
total number inclusive of RSR: 90ex

I can see where the confusion stems from. So, pour le sport, what are the production numbers and who is right?

All the best,


Bert

Or could M003 N/GT be the balancing figure ?

i.e 2282-2078 = 204 ?

Only 14 RHD Touring worldwide -- is a tiny number.

 

[964RS]

ORIGINAL: Bertroex

ORIGINAL: 964RS

Good luck, and incidentally, related to D. John Ward of turbo register fame?

Best regards,

Bert

Bert,

John Ward is my father but not the John Ward of the Turbo Register! My father has co-written the new book "99 Years & Counting" - statistics, stories and history of Huddersfield Town Football Club.

Cheers,

Paul