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R888 Toyo Alternative ? NANKANG NS2-R for Road & Track use

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For those that have a Daily or occasional use Road & Track Day car and with only
one set of wheels and using R888 Tyres and any track orientated tyres can be a risk on the road (And track!) in the Wet.

The tradeoff of having a semi cut slick tread pattern (more rubber in contact with the tarmac) and not a tyre with many channels, grooves and sipes
is the lack of water drainage (pumping) leading to aquaplaning but also a lack of multi tread blocks offer less movement / feel & give so a semi slick is
only at it's best in the bone dry on a warm day.

The other technicality with Track tyres is the Compound which the (Treadwear Rating) can be used to give you an idea how soft or hard a tyre is.
A R888 Toyo is Rating 100, a Michelin Pilot Sport 3 Road tyre 320 and other budget brands can be 400. The softest will have the best COF (Coefficient of Friction)
but will wear out quicker as the rubber rolls off with hard circuit use and a trip home from the track may turn out ugly if the tread depth is below 1.6mm or it's raining!

A higher Treadwear rated track tyre will give more longevity and one with more channels offer better safer performance in the wet (Road & Track)

There are now a few alternatives to the R888 and I'm sure many members have tried several makes, I'm currently testing some NANKANG NS2-R tyres
on the road with a view to driving to Sprint / Hillclimb events.

They have 3 central channels for water dissipation and a treadwear rating 180 so they are probably not as good as a Toyo on track but could be a great compromise for multi use. They are also less expensive than R888's

I tried 2 fronts 205/55/16 (34psi) for a run last night in the Wet (North Wales) and there were no major drama's , turn in and braking all good.
I'll report back on their performance when I get a dry run.


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I rate the yokohama ad08 (now ad08r)
Road tyre with near - track tyre grip, fantastic wear rates on track and doesn't fall apart when hot.

Was the sprinter's choice I believe when it was 1A
 
Yes I've seen and heard the Yoko's are very good. nearly £500 a set and I'm sure your getting a good product but
@ £72 each I thought I'd try a couple of these Kangs on the front axle and see how they do for the money.

There is quite a bit of fuss about them from owner reviews compared to a 888, and the popular BMW Compact cup Race series
are using them.

I've done nearly 100 miles today on greasy and damp roads, they have not presented any nasty surprises and seem good, However
my Pilot sports on the rear have been twitchy under power, but then they are on a 8x16 rim and a change to the same as the front (7x16) will sort this.

R
 
Ad08r is just over £90 for 225/45/17 from camskill.
I'm not sure you'll get much useful info in wet 2°c conditions & only on one axle though.

Having a road friendly track tyre does seem a good idea to me though. No faffing around at the circuit fitting track tyres, & also much better performance & longevity than normal road tyres on track.

BTW what version (treadwear) did you go for?
 
The Kangs are superb. Im running 225/45 17 and 255/40 17. Did a track day at Bedford recently and they were great. Dirt cheap as well and appear to have loads of life left in them. Been running them since about April last year, you can get good temps into them on the road as well. In greasy conditions they aren't great, but full on downpour they were fine. I'm running the 180(street).
 
I'm running NS2-Rs all year round now - haven't had the opportunity to use them in anger but they feel better in cold and damp conditions than the Federal RSRs they replaced.

Getting them on circuit will will be the test as the Feds came up to temp well and where excellent - surprised me how good they were on a truly wet day when you got some heat into them.

The NS2-R should be perfect for me as I can't be bothered swapping sets of wheels and tyres over at the track - the hour it takes in total swapping over and packing/unpacking stuff is an hour less track fun. 20% less time for a couple of percent improvement?

I've tried Cups, A048s, RSRs and these on the road and so far these seem stable and controllable. Only went for them over AD08Rs due to price/availability at the time. I have the 180 TW and when I spoke to someone from Nankang at Autosport they told me they'd phased the 120 TW out due to "issues".

Worth mentioning that my RSRs did develop cracks across the surface (cosmetic only) and they needed a bit more forethought - on a hot day on Northumberland B-roads I got enough heat into them to take the pressure from 32 up to 41 (my usual increase on track is 7psi For those tyres) - I've never had to drop my pressures for road driving before!
 
EDH
Ad08r is just over £90 for 225/45/17 from camskill.
I'm not sure you'll get much useful info in wet 2°c conditions & only on one axle though.

Having a road friendly track tyre does seem a good idea to me though. No faffing around at the circuit fitting track tyres, & also much better performance & longevity than normal road tyres on track.

BTW what version (treadwear) did you go for?


Yes it was a fresh day all in single figures, so cool the temp gauge was never more than a quarter, and could ideally do with some tank tape on the Radiator to block some flow.

Treadwear 180, but scrubbed with a Sander and Tyre Softner applied which would probably reduce the TW by 10-15 points.

The Tyre Mixture was as I'd hoped a very good test, even more so as the fronts are 7" and rear 8" all 4 sizes 205/55/16 and hence the stretched rears and softer PS3 sidewalls have changed the balance for the better I now have no understeer and only rear oversteer from slippy wheelspin. Pressures also better with a softer 30 rear and the fronts 34psi.

Also I changed the front Inserts to upside down Bilstein B8 from Spax Gas, they are harder in Bump and even more in rebound.

The wishbone angle is a big problem and hence the roll & Handling feel was much better when I had run 40psi front pressures previously, which let me to believe the harder pressure is obviously resisting the body moving down and the wheel & Tyre moving up as much. So I wanted to try a Stiffer Sidewall, which has worked as the front is now better but I need to change the stub axles for versions with a longer welded on Ball pin and also a bump steer Tie rod kit. Then I'll out Kangs on the rear also back on the 7"J Rims.

R




 
EDH Good to hear there's an alternative to the ad08's then..


I remember back to 2004 when speaking to the Toyo Uk Rep about a new specific Road legal Trackday Tyre they were bringing out, but they were not sure if they would sell well.

Many other Manufacturers have since entered this market including some from Asia and they seem to be catching up.

R




 

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