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Race Report - CSCC Donington and Oulton Parks

Andy97

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I had two race meetings in September at Donington and Oulton Parks. These were the first two tracks that I raced on last year after I bought the car, so my first opportunity to compare lap times.

At Donington I was driving alone for a change. The practice times were not too bad and I was ahead of 3 other cars in 25th, and only 1.5 secs behind a 968. Not bad for a car which probably has the lowest power to weight ration of any competing in the series.

My best race or practice time in 2013 was 1 min 31.6. My practice time this year was 1 min 29.7. A testament to improvement in me, the handling and, of course, the (Augmented) engine!

The race started really well with a great initial battle between a FWD Alfa GTV6, myself, a 944S2 and a 968. I was going really well until about Lap 5 when the car suddenly lost power and I limped round for one lap. There was no real "go" and the symptoms were just like fuel starvation. At about the same time, there was some fluid on the screen, but not much and I thought it was from the car in front. More later.
I resolved to limp to the pits but on the Wheatcroft straight I put my foot down again and the car picked up pace. It was still probably only running at what seemed like 85-90% but I kept going, although now I had lost ground completely on those I was battling with. I decided that if I had to take PH Sportscars up on their offer of a replacement engine for £350 then so be it!!! The routine pit stop for the simulated driver change (me, out of the car and back in again) passed ok and the second half of the race was uneventful, save for the excitement (!) of being lapped by the quicker cars. Truth be told this was a frustrating experience as I with some cars I would be easily taken on the straights but then catch them up under braking and be quicker through the corners and on exit, only for them to p!55 off down the straights again!

Despite all these issues, I finished the race and was relieved to do so with all the metal in the engine in the correct place! Much to my surprise I discovered that I had won my class trophy, probably by virtue of being less unreliable than my class mates. I think that I will rename myself "Tortoise and the Hare Racing".
Annoyingly my best race lap was 1 min 30.7, slower than in practice. Unusual for me. But I do put this down to the loss in power.

I like to look at my lap times compared to similar cars in the clubs sister "Future Classics" series, and also the BRSCC 924s. Robert Hardy's fastest lap in his 2500cc 944 in FC was 1 min 29.8 so we would have been reasonably well matched in the same race. There were several other cars around that time, too. The BRSCC have not held their Donington round yet this year, but in 2013 the fastest 2.0 litre 924 time was 1 min 28.4 with the majority in the 1 min 30s. I think that shows my performance up OK, as I reckon to have a similar power to weight to the BRSCC 924s.

I have also compared my lap times with those of me in my ex Works Toyota Carina Super Production car from a couple of years ago, and my times were very similar, despite the Toyota having about 30 Bhp more and a similar weight. To be fair though, I was having severe gear change issues. Ultimately the Toyota should be the faster car, but I actually enjoy driving the 924S more.

Nevertheless, before the Oulton race a trip to Augment Automotive was required to try to assess the loss of power problem. Tom plugged in his lap top but nothing was obviously amiss. Eventually we discovered the tiniest of splits in a radiator hose (remember the fluid on the screen?) and the fact that there was a loss in coolant. Odd that there had been no steam clouds but there you go. This was all fixed and we put the loss of power down to the engine running hot and the Augment ECU retarding the timing and increasing the fuel in, to try to cool things down. Me? I have no idea but it seems as reasonable an explanation as any.

On to Oulton Park.

Practice at Oulton was hideous - wet and greasy and an exercise in survival. I survived and handed over to Alan but even as the track dried he did not go faster. Last on the grid by a long way!

I got a reasonable start and managed to avoid a stalled MX5! I then had a great battle in my half of the race with a 944S2, a 968 and a Smart 4:2 Turbo (now with about 130 Bhp to propel its 750 Kg!) as well as trying to keep the faster MX5 behind me. It was a great battle and I really enjoyed myself but I got caught out under braking whilst letting the leaders lap me and the MX5 nipped through. Damn! I handed over to Alan who had a good stint to bring the car home with no issues, apart from a strange very dim oil pressure light coming on in the pits and on some left handers.

Our fastest lap was 2 min 12.7 (compared to 2 min 13.5 in 2013) but annoyingly was way off the pace of the BRSCC 924s who were lapping between 2 min 05.4 (crikey!!!!) and 2 min 11 plus. There was not a Future Classics race to compare times with until a week later, but even here things were a little disappointing for me. There was no 2500cc 944 to compare against but there was BRSCC spec 2.0 924 and that had a fastest time of 2 min 10.6. Oh dear. Maybe the car is still down on power, maybe I just wasn't committed enough (I do find Oulton difficult and intimidating!)

So, some good and some not so good, but all good fun anyway. And relatively cheap by racing standards. That's the season done for me. There is one more race at Snetterton to go but I am out of funds now. The car will be serviced over the winter but there will be no great handling improvements to be done like this last winter. I may consider Augment Automotive's full race cam rather than the fast road cam I have now, and a rolling road session but what I really want to do is sell the Toyota and the 924 and consider a 944 Turbo!!!!!!!!

If I keep the 924S maybe I will shift back to Future Classics as it may be that it will suit the car better to be surrounded by a few more cars of similar performance. We shall see.

 
A 944 turbo? - hope you've got deep pockets [:D] No more £350 engine replacements that's for sure.. of course another route might be into a 924?

but if you want a 944 turbo I think MarkK's old car is up for sale...

Oulton is certainly intimidating - Druids especially. I guess you need a bit of coaching from an Oulton expert.. Some people tell me Druids is a fast corner, can't say I've ever been round there fast [:(]
 
Oulton park Future Classics had 7 front engined P cars entered, but only 6 raced after a qualification session that was a little too action packed.

Tom put in a 2.05.97 to put us 20th out of 32 cars, he started the race well and overtook two other S2's into Old Hall, and then a ding-dong battle ensued. However we had conceded both places by the hand over.

When I got out the track was liberally coated with oil, from Lakesside thru Shell to the chicane. This resulted in a heavy impact for Nick Olsen in his Lotus Esprite. The red flag brought everything to a ten minute clean up halt, and we restarted behind the safety car.

What followed was a manic 5 lap sprint to the flag. I held off some quicker out-of-position opposition and we got 12th O/A.

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ORIGINAL: edh

A 944 turbo? - hope you've got deep pockets [:D] No more £350 engine replacements that's for sure.. of course another route might be into a 924?

but if you want a 944 turbo I think MarkK's old car is up for sale...

Oulton is certainly intimidating - Druids especially. I guess you need a bit of coaching from an Oulton expert.. Some people tell me Druids is a fast corner, can't say I've ever been round there fast [:(]

I know about Mark's old car but cant afford it. Great car, though, and I would encourage someone to buy and race with us. Definitely a very competitive car.

There are other cheaper options but, you are right, the cost of running one is a concern. A 968 would be my ideal choice but they are a bit out of my price range, too. In all likelihood, I will keep the 924S but I would like to sell the Toyota.

I have never been round Druids "fast" either, although it felt fast at the time!
 
ORIGINAL: edh

Boxster? An early 2.5 might go well..

I agree, and I have been having similar thoughts. I always prefer to buy a race car already built, though. Usually cheaper that way and no one has built and raced a 2.5 in this country to my knowledge. Stuart Ings in PCGB may be the only one, and he converted to 2.7. Most are 3.2s so I'd have to get one built myself.

The cost of building the car is probably the same whether its a 2.5 or 3.2, though! The BRSCC/PDA Boxster Championship mandates a particular model of weld in cage which is actually quite expensive in terms of manhours to fit. If they allowed in bolt in cages, even if only in their Production Class, it would have been a lot cheaper to build such a car and maybe a few more people would take up that option. This is important as its always worth building a car that has several places to race, rather than just eligible or competitive in one. Building a 2.5 Boxster just for CSCC races would limit its potential for re-sale.

And, in any case, I like the front engine, rear transaxle layout!! I'd really like someone to come and race a 2.5 Boxster with us in the 1800-2500cc class, though, and I did try and open up a debate with the PDA folks about a 2.5 Production Class with a bolt in cage as an entry level class, but they weren't interested.
 

ORIGINAL: Andy97

ORIGINAL: edh

Boxster? An early 2.5 might go well..

I agree, and I have been having similar thoughts. I always prefer to buy a race car already built, though. Usually cheaper that way and no one has built and raced a 2.5 in this country to my knowledge. Most are 3.2s so I'd have to get one built myself.

The cost of building the car is probably the same whether its a 2.5 or 3.2, though! The BRSCC/PDA Boxster Championship mandates a particular model of weld in cage which is actually quite expensive in terms of manhours to fit. If they allowed in bolt in cages, even if only in their Production Class, it would have been a lot cheaper to build such a car and maybe a few more people would take up that option. This is important as its alays worth building a car that has several places to race, rather than just eligible or competitive in one. Building a 2.5 Boxster just for CSCC races would limit its potential for re-sale.

And, in any case, I like the front engine, rear transaxle layout!! IU'd really like someone to come a and race a 2.5 Boxster with us, though, and I did try and open up a debate with the PDA folks about a 2.5 Production Class with a bolt in cage as an entry level class, but they weren't interested.

I agree with you about buy, rather than build, and you have a good point on resale. The "Spec" Boxster racing in the US is pretty big I think, so you could always import one [:D] - and the 2.5 might be a more robust option than the 3.2 as well. It may happen over here in time if the 924's ever die out.

I was very wary of the mid engined layout at first, but have been very impressed with the docile nature of the Boxster. OK I'm not racing so not really pushing hard, but it was very easy to drive hard at Cadwell and just brilliant at Spa.
 

ORIGINAL: edh


I agree with you about buy, rather than build, and you have a good point on resale. The "Spec" Boxster racing in the US is pretty big I think, so you could always import one [:D] - and the 2.5 might be a more robust option than the 3.2 as well. It may happen over here in time if the 924's ever die out.

I was very wary of the mid engined layout at first, but have been very impressed with the docile nature of the Boxster. OK I'm not racing so not really pushing hard, but it was very easy to drive hard at Cadwell and just brilliant at Spa.

I really don't understand why the BRSCC/PDA did not at least have a class that mimicked the Boxster Spec racing in the USA. It makes no sense to me as the gap in cost between racing a 924 and a 3.2 Boxster are huge. I don't see many stepping up; the Boxsters are appealing to a different audience. But, I do think that a 2.5 Spec racing class would have provided an intermediate level. Oh well.

I, too, am wary of the mid engine layout. Perhaps I should persuade PH Sportscars to let me try one some time.
 

ORIGINAL: Andy97

I, too, am wary of the mid engine layout. Perhaps I should persuade PH Sportscars to let me try one some time.

It's very sensitive to geo - just like a 944 is. I drove mine at a wet & slippery Silverstone first and hated it - it just didn't want to turn in and would push at the slightest hint of throttle. It drove much better once both the rear wheels were pointing in the right direction [:D] On the road it had been fine as you're going nowhere near as fast.

Don't know if anyone races 2.5's in PCGB?
 

ORIGINAL: Andy97
I agree, and I have been having similar thoughts. I always prefer to buy a race car already built, though. Usually cheaper that way and no one has built and raced a 2.5 in this country to my knowledge. Stuart Ings in PCGB may be the only one, and he converted to 2.7. Most are 3.2s so I'd have to get one built myself.

Let me know if you want to buy a 3.2 986 or 987 ready to race.

Chris.
 

ORIGINAL: Andy97
I really don't understand why the BRSCC/PDA did not at least have a class that mimicked the Boxster Spec racing in the USA. It makes no sense to me as the gap in cost between racing a 924 and a 3.2 Boxster are huge. I don't see many stepping up; the Boxsters are appealing to a different audience. But, I do think that a 2.5 Spec racing class would have provided an intermediate level. Oh well.

We've already discussed this elsewhere so I won't duplicate here. Regards stepping up, we currently have seven drivers registered for the Class A Boxsters who previously raced 924s. At least two of the current Class B Boxster drivers are upgrading to Class A next for season.

If 2.5 Boxsters were popular we would see a lot more of them in other series.

Chris.
 
ORIGINAL: spyderman

If 2.5 Boxsters were popular we would see a lot more of them in other series.

Chris.


It's a fair point Chris, but a 2.5 litre car has, up until recently not been that useful in many multi-marque series as most series have a 2 litre to 3 litre class. One or two series have now introduced power to weight based series, and of course CSCC has an 1800-2500cc class so maybe its time to look at the Boxster again.

I also think that the folks that want to race a sports car but can't afford a 3.2 Boxster are most likely to look at the MX5 Mk3

ORIGINAL: spyderman

Let me know if you want to buy a 3.2 986 or 987 ready to race.

Chris.

How much?

Just out of academic interest I may ask Ernie at Lodge Sports how much he thinks it might cost to build a 2.5 Boxster to similar regs to the US Spec Boxster series with a bolt in cage.

ORIGINAL: edh

Don't know if anyone races 2.5's in PCGB?

Stuart Ings did, for one year I think. But changed it to a 2.7 in his second year. Not sure of the reason but I assume it fitted the power to weight ratio of the class better.
 
ORIGINAL: spyderman
Let me know if you want to buy a 3.2 986 or 987 ready to race.
Chris.

ORIGINAL: Andy97
How much?

PM me with an email address and I'll send you some details and photos of a 2003 986.

ORIGINAL: Andy97
Just out of academic interest I may ask Ernie at Lodge Sports how much he thinks it might cost to build a 2.5 Boxster to similar regs to the US Spec Boxster series with a bolt in cage.

No idea of the procedure but I presume there would have to be some approval process by the MSA?

ORIGINAL: edh
Don't know if anyone races 2.5's in PCGB?

ORIGINAL: Andy97
Stuart Ings did, for one year I think. But changed it to a 2.7 in his second year. Not sure of the reason but I assume it fitted the power to weight ratio of the class better.

Yes, I think he need a tad more power to be competitive. Either that or he blew it up!

Chris.
 

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