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polar964

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Thought i would post up this thread having recently had the paint work on my 93 C2 detailed by a guy call Matthew Wakefeild of 'Off Your Marks' (www.offyourmarks.com). I first became aware of Matt and his work from a thread posted initially by a Peter Bull from the North of England and North Wales region forum.
Having posted a few questions to Matt which he promptly replied; to meeting him in person to discuss the best course of action for my 964, at which point I was totally impressed so had no heisitation in booking my car into Matts busy schedule. I have owned this car for the past 12 months and although the paintwork was pretty good, I knew it could be better and I had total confidence that Matt was the guy that could add that extra sparkle and remove those unsightly swirls and scratches that had been inflicted over the past 14 years. Wow, how impressed am I. [:D] Praise where praise is due and I can only concure with what has all ready been said on the NE & NW forum and hence my reason for posting up here, so that those of you looking to loose those unsightly swirls, scratches can also benefit from his skill, patience and dedication like I have done. Matt's workmanship is first class, A1, top notch,...... what you see is what you get, the pictures speak for themselves. I hope you like them! Thanks to Matt.


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HI There!

I thought I'd post up after a recent email from Paul - he told me he has posted up his car on here and thought I would like to add some more information for the readers on all the process steps involved in the detail.

My business partner currently owns a lovely Midnight blue turbo 4 and I am still on the prowl for the right 964.

Paul originally contacted me via PCGB after seeing a few of the others member's cars having the offyourmarks detailing treatment. We had a long chat to discuss his requirements and we booked in for two months later due to workload. I must admit, right from the start Paul came across as an extremely passionate 964 owner who absolutely loved his car. I was looking forward to getting started on it and hopefully making Paul even more content with his 911.

So when the day arrived, Paul and his wife arrived at 0800 hrs to drop off the car for the 2-day program. We discussed the process once again, and Paul added he would like a few small parking dents removed that had been bugging him for a while - no problem.

So Paul and his wife drove away in the courtesy car and I was ready to make a start on the work.

The first step in any of our procedures is to wash the car. The 964 was first pre washed using a warm mix of citrus de-greaser to break down any road film and other waxes.

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By removing these in a pre wash also reduces the chances of inflicting further damage when washing.

Following the pre-rinse the car was washed using a two bucket technique, both shod with grit guards and the use of a natural sea sponge

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Following the washing stage, the car was again rinsed and then left ready for the cleaning stage.
Now this stage is to remove any contaminants that you can't always see; minute particles of brake dust, tar, pollen or any grit. For this I used Lehm clay by zymol.

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I had the clay near the heater, to gently warm it through to provide a soft pliable composition. The pic below shows a clean kneaded section ready for the process.

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Then the car (still wet) was further lubricated with zymol clay lube and the clay gently rubbed over the paint, picking out the embedded particles and locking them away within its soft composition.

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The pic below shows the contamination removed from a small section of the bonnet..

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Following the cleaning stage the car was washed again. Wheels were recently cleaned and sealed by Paul, so I used Zymol wheel gel to remove any new dust from his trip down, agitated lightly with a soft horsehair brush.

So then the car was driven inside the detailing centre and positioned in the bay ready for the next step. I firstly removed any trim and obstructions and packed neatly away.

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I dried the car via a touch less method - I simply used a leaf blower to air dry the car.

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Following the drying stage the next step was the inspection to see the full extent of the defects that spoil the clarity of the paintwork.

This is a typical example of the swirling on the paintwork

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I then measured the thickness of the paint work to highlight repairs, damages and just how much thickness I had to play with prior to the corrective polishing stages.

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The gauge is one of 2 I carry and it gives me a reading in microns (1000th of mm)

Paul's paint was in good order. I collated the readings in my laptop to build a picture of the paint on the car in my mind and also to aid me in determining the best format for the correction stage.

The majority of the marring was deep circular scratches that were different from the regular types of light swirling.

So, on to the Paint correction stages "" Corrective polishing is a multi stage process and probably the most difficulat and time consuming part of the detail. Done properly and thoroughly this stage can last from 6 "" 20+ hours! Alone. I found as time has gone on, to do this properly it is very rarely contained within 1 day, except in some rare cases with light swirling. Done properly Paint correction can yield amazing results. Done by the inexperienced then at best it will look better, at worst the paint can be ruined. There are many ways you can represent succesful paint correction with pictures and cute lighting, but believe me it needs to look right as possible to the naked eye in direct sunlight and to do this takes time.

so heres some pics of panels with the swirling - O/S door

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and after paint correction

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This pics shows the front N/S wing under normal lighting - looks fine right?

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but under harsh light, not too good

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all the swirling and scratching detracts from the clarity. heres the wing afterwards, just a couple of deeper scratcheds to be addressed later on

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During this first stage of paint correction, our dent guy addressed the problems. heres mark working on the rear N/S wing

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heres the rear engine panel

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and after

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after the deeper swirls were removed and the dents gone, the next step was to address the deep scratches. This needed a more aggressive step. Here i used pre-soaked wet and dry 2500 and 3000 grit paper to remove the bulk of the defects.

This step below shows it well. First the scratch at the bottom of the wing

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and then after a light wet sanding stage

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and then after polishing out

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various defects were removed in this manner, including this on the sunroof section

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and after - gone!

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so with the dents removed, 98% of the swirls and defects ( some too deep to remove safely)it was time for the finishing correction to reove any dulling imparted when following a more aggressive polishing stage

After this the car was taken outside and washed again, brought back and dried.

Then the paint was prepared using Zymol HD cleanse. This product is used to reove and polish oil and residue from within the paint and prepare the paint for acceptance of the wax.

Paul Chose our most expensive wax - Zymol Royale (currently retailing at £7,188.00 for 44 oz) as the protection offered adn depth of gloss is second to none. By having this product on he was assured of an incredibly tough durability through the coming months. The big deal is that 73% of the total volume of the product is pure #1 brazillian white carnauba wax. You may see carnauba waxes costing a fraction of the price; but containing only a fraction of the Carnauba. It is applied via bare hands and requires the heat to soften it before i massaged it into the paintwork.

After the initial buffing i proceded to clean and dress the wheels and tyres. I appied royale to the alloys too and finished the tyres with Zymol 'tyre'

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Its worth also noting that window rubbers were coated with Zymol Royale as its purity affords protection and feeding of even rubber with no white residue.

After the dressing the car was buffed again, lightly spritzed with Zymol Field Glaze to reove and 'sweat' from the initial coat of Royale.

All glass cleaned and polished using Zymol 'glas'

Paul opted to tackle the interior in his own time, so it was simply vacuumed clean.

So heres a few finished shots following the work.

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so, thanks to paul for allowing me to work on his car! very enjoyable and great bloke to work for. I think he may be back soo though - we have just invested in a 4 tonne ramp so we can detail the unterside of cars too!

Kind Regards

Matt


 
sorry to be nosey, but what did you use on the rear spoiler grille?.. Mines a bit grubby, but when its cleaned it's always grey looking; I'd like to get it nice and black like the one in the picture, however Im reluctant to paint it (or find out how much a new one is.. ..im not sitting down at the moment)

ben
 
Hi Ben, don't think Matt put anything on the grille. Although in the past i have just used 'back to black' polish. Appears to do the job, but probably not the best. Matt may be able to advise of a more suitable product.
 
ive used a couple of those type of things and its never really worked very well; not sure if it just needs loads applying, as it just seems to suck up anything you put on it and turn grey again!..
will wait and see what Matt suggests
 
Very interesting post.

Just a couple of things though:

It looks like a very expensive process but there is no indication of costs involved. Obviously every car is different and chosing the Royale wax must make a huge difference to the price, but an indication would be helpful. I doubt there would be any change out of 4 figures though.

Also, how long does it last, is this an annual thing or more/less often. I guess second time around it would be much less expensive as the swirling/scratching/dent removal process would substantially shorter.
 
Hi guys

very sorry for my belated response - had my mitts full with a large black car of, *cough* italian variety.

So to answer the questions - Pauls grille was simply cleaned with HD cleanse and then rubbed with zymol detail wax. It was in great condition to begin with ( paul is a very keen owner!)
try a good clean then HD cleanse and wax - you may be surprised.

As for price - yes every car is different but to give an idea - its deffo 3 figures! I do offer a 2 week £4K detail but thats another story, and extends underneath the car too! and includes 4 coats of Royale! dents etc. Even panel resprays and stonechip protection film can be included.

Anyway for an 'average' 964 then you are looking around £500 - 600 including Royale and takes around 20+ hours. dents are £50 per panel ( each panel can have numerous dents in it)

Once done then it is incredibly easy to keep that way too - the big deal with the wax is the extensive durability it gives, and grime is so much easier to remove. It is a small initial outlay in my opinion for a long lasting finish. It will almost certainly be recouped come resale time.

if you need a chat then please call me anytime for help or advice - always ready to help out.

Matt

 
Ive tried all sorts of things from my (considerably smaller than your) detailing toy-box to clean it up (HD cleanse, autoglym rubber care, pneu, several layers of wax, etc.) but its not really made a difference.. It seems great for a little while, then just sucks up anything you put on it and goes grey again!..

The car has done 300,000kms, so I think maybe I will replace it (the grille, not the car - perish the thought) with a new one over the winter

Thanks for the response

Ben
 

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