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We have had some success with the latest iteration of the car which I though some of you might find interesting. So we entered and competed in the World Time Attack Challenge two weeks ago. While we went quite well, we were beset with niggling fuel issues (Sucrogen E85) which resulted in running lean. Once this was "˜fixed' we then had an unusual problem with the turbo that unfortunately ended with us having to retire at the end of day 1 of the 2 day event. Sad to say but still good to be there and soak up a bit of atmosphere. I realise that Time Attack is not usually the domain for Porsche cars but it is a growing format and there are some extremely fast cars in each class. As a reference a well driven 997 Cup car will get around this track in the 1:30-1:33 range (on the usual Michelin slicks). The winning car in this year's WTAC did it in 1:24.8"¦on street legal R spec rubber! So you can see that these cars are seriously quick and in some cases unhampered by certain rules and regs. We managed a 1:34 in practice but never got a clear track with the rather too few laps we were able to turn in anger. I think given all the planets in alignment we could have got into the 1:32 bracket possibly. The leading car in our class was a Nissan R32 with a quoted 1000whp available. A lot of development went into this car and it was stupidly quick in the straights. Data showed that we were actually faster than it around the twisty bits so considering that it has 4wd, Sequential gearbox, more aero and other such things, we don't feel as if we've suffered too badly by comparison. They did a 1:31 to win the Open class. 2nd in our class was a well developed Evo driven by a highly experienced rally and track driver who was in the 1:32 bracket. Had we got a clear lap we would have won fastest RWD in our class. Unfortunately there were quite a lot of oil downs, red flags and blocking due to drivers not using their mirrors. You can see two examples in this short video where we were on target for a 1:34 flat according to the dash display. Due to the nature of the soft compound tyres you have only 1-2 hotlaps and then you have to come in or try and cool them down, so you can see the car not going flat out in some shots. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3EnuroMkgM&noredirect=1

So back to the turbo. 2 of the 4 bolts in the hotside compressor worked their way loose to the point that under load the housing would go off axis and the impeller just destroyed itself. Major disappointment after putting so much time into this build but what can you do. So after the event I found a new Garrett GTX3582 .82 and the workshop fitted it all up within that week so we could attend the last local Porsche club SuperSprint for 2013. There was quite a lot of buzz in the pits when the usual guys spotted our car in the garage. 2 guys in particular who have been dominating these events for the last 5 years were both walking past our garage and did the full double take and grinding halt when they saw the car.
You could hear them exclaim various observations and they wandered in to check it out. Their cars are a highly modified 996 Cup RSR (ex Le Mans) which has been updated to full SQ trans and a factory 4Ltr motor among other mods. The other guy has a lightened and "˜warmed' 996 GT2 which held the track records for many years. It was funny to listen to these two guys (who incidentally drove to the track in their 2 brand new McLarens!) look and discuss our car. They were joking about their time at the top drawing to a close, but you could also sense that they actually believed it. The RSR was the lap record holder at this track with a 1:04.41 and dropped it down to a 1:04.32 on this day. When we managed to get out after a few more fuel issues, we did a 1:03.00 and you could see their faces drop just a little. Our time was also set in the heat of the day while running rich and down on power so there is significant improvement to be gained still.
All very pleasing considering that this car has only just got back onto the track in the last few weeks. Great to see that the 944 chassis is still capable of some decent achievements all on the trailing arm suspension too.

This pic was taken during the practice session where Paul, the builder and No 1 driver of my car presently, went out behind many of the status quo. Within a few laps he pulled out at the top of the straight from behind the 650bhp + GT2 and slowly managed to sneak a nose past him. (Never been done before in club history!) Approaching the very fast T1 (where I had my accident!) he pulled past and slipped behind the beautiful 956 replica. Into T2 he outbraked the 956 and proceeded to walk away from them. All while on some scrubbed medium Yokohama R specs! The reason that Paul is driving the car as well as me is that he will develop it much faster than me. An ex Karting driver having won numerous state titles and 3 National titles, he also went to the World championships in Italy when he was younger. Can Steer!
Anyway, just thought some of you might find this interesting. Also note how much squat we're still getting out of some corners. This with 1360/1490lb springs!



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Oh, here is the results from the weekend.

This video was taken from inside Sean Buchanan's 944 turbo with a 16v 3Ltr motor and running Hoosier slicks. Fast modified road car!
Note at the 2:26 mark where Paul goes past in my car. Sean did slow a little bit and also doesn't loose much down the next straight but within a lap has walked away due to being a much lighter and stiffer car with aero. We would be running at about 420whp where Sean would be above that currently.
I am currently still very rusty and also find myself rather more cautious than before so I managed to struggle around for a 1:07 which felt pretty darn quick but clearly I have a lot to work on to make up the 4.5 seconds that Paul managed!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDUQHYFqnNk

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Fantastic stuff Patrick - great to see you competing with those sort of cars and winning! Should be an even more impressive car when it's fully sorted.
 
Thanks guys. Thought it would be interesting for some in here, clearly a limited market apparently...lol.
Over and out. [:)]
 
Clearly amazing, the market is limited by what costs my brain can compute.

I'd love a go!
 
There is a serious rise in the grip levels even when on treaded tyres. We were conforming to rules for the WTAC event which required us to sit 65mm above ground. When we did the Porsche club event a week later we were able to drop the front by 10mm (which sounds insignificant) and that helped with a bit of turn in. When I went out in the early sessions on the old Medium compound R specs the car wanted to step out a bit in the rear. In fact while chasing another friend in his 16v 3L turbo I spun the car coming out of T2. The videos really flatten out the track from what it's actually like which is bit of a shame. Then we put on some new sticky Soft compound Yokohama AO50's and I brought my times down about 3 seconds. I am still very rusty and somewhat more cautious than I used to be so getting accustomed to it more and more each time out. There is no substitute for seat time. The other advantage is that we've had the guy who installed the Motec and associated hardware in the pits and he is vastly experienced in the racing industry. He can overlay all our lines & squiggles and show where I can push harder/brake deeper. It's quite sobering but very helpful. Data doesn't lie! I'm pretty sure you guys in the UK have access to the new Yokohama AO50's? They're in the top 2 of R spec rubber as far as I'm concerned. The other (which we haven't tried yet) is the Hankook Z221. Do you have these in the UK? Probably cheaper than the Yokos and at least as fast if not faster. Way quicker than the usual R888's for your reference.
 
Not seen either of those tyres here yet - P6000's are still our reference tyre [:D]

Seems like the Dunlop DZ03 is the favourite over here for racers, not sure what sprint tyres are most popular

I'm very impressed by the Yoko AD08 as a track / road tyre - a road tyre that's not far off the pace of the R-spec tyres, had 8mm tread and wears really really well. I believe they have just revised the compound to make it even faster.
 
Oh, here's a clip of Paul in the car on the GP circuit during practice. This on old Medium compounds just reeling off 1:35's like he's driving to the shops. 1:35's were or are our Club record on that layout from the RSR.
https://vimeo.com/77478736
 

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Not seen either of those tyres here yet - P6000's are still our reference tyre [:D]

Seems like the Dunlop DZ03 is the favourite over here for racers, not sure what sprint tyres are most popular

I'm very impressed by the Yoko AD08 as a track / road tyre - a road tyre that's not far off the pace of the R-spec tyres, had 8mm tread and wears really really well. I believe they have just revised the compound to make it even faster.
Well I'm pretty sure I've seen the Yoko AO50's on an UK website...perhaps only the AO48's which weren't nearly as good from what I understand. Not sure on Hankooks..but either of those tyres would be superior to the DZ03's or any other R spec in my opinion. Of course you wouldn't have to run the Softs and the Mediums are still very quick. Perhaps they may not last as long as the Dunlops and certainly not the R888's but it's always that compromise between budget and speed!
 
The main thing with the Dunlops is the longevity and consistency. IMHO the Michelin cups produced more grip but they take 2 to 3 laps to come in and then start to go off a few laps later. The Dunlops take a few corners and there in, then stay really strong for a long time. They also are pretty hard wearing. I don't like the way they handle though, very dead feeling boring responses, not alive like the cups but hey that is just my opinion.

Patrick I have heard that the sprinters here really like the soft Kuhmo V70s and my mate who did a lot of sprints and hillclimbs used to like the soft R888s but noted they became almost impossible to get hold off.

Post more vids please I love watching in car vids [8D]
 
I haven't tried the Kuhmo's yet Neil. They're attractive for their pricepoint too. We had to run the Yoko AO50 at WTAC under the rules. As I hadn't done any track driving since 2010 except for the accident session in 2012 (which were on Hoosier R80 slicks), my level of sensitivity to grip and dynamics has been pretty dumbed down. (Akin to trying to engrave a poem on a grain of rice while wearing oversize boxing gloves!) However I think these new R specs are a definite step up from the pack. Never did try the 888's in soft...rare as Hen's teeth down here also. The problem with running 295x18" all round is that it's about 1350GBP's for a set mounted and running softs will seriously deplete one's tyre budget pretty quickly at those costs. [:mad:]

I hope to have a better system for incar video next season with data on the screen as well. Good way to compare visually against Paul's driving for me.
 

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