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RMS and ISF, how bad?

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I am new here as I am looking for my first Boxster and doing some research.
2 things I have read about seems terrifying and is really putting me off.
RMS and ISF failure.

I just wonder how frequent this really is as the thought of have to pay for a new engine is making me look else where.

...Or is it just a few unlucky people that you will inevitably find on forums like these coming together looking for answers.

Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
 
Hi Nick

There are so many threads within the forum on this subject that I expect members are tired of explaining this all over again. I am sure its not personal!

Why not do a search of the forum - you will lots of information that will keep you busy until this time next week and beyond!
 
Yes its been discussed thousands of times, and you'll find no definitive answer i'm afraid (make sure you expand the date range in the search page to more than the default 30 days setting). Internet forums always bring out the disasters and rarely praise the cars, even this one !!.

RMS - if its one drip a week then concensus seems to be not to worry too much and leave it til it gets worse or the clutch is due a change. If its just sweating then don't bother. The revised seal and installation procedure is improving matters, but isn't necessarily foolproof. I've had no issues with my old 2004 2.7 or my current 2006 3.2S.

ISF - it can affect any car up to MY06 when the bearing size was increased in an attempt to reduce the failure rate (not aware of any failing with the improved design). Failures can happen at any time, but a high proprtion of the failures seem to occur around 30k +/- 5k miles. If a car has reached 50-60k miles then you can probably be a little more confident !. Its all about your exposure to risk, but there are cheaper alternatives to the Porsche warranty, such as the premier one from Tesco at around ÂŁ420/year. or a slightler lesser one from Tesco for around ÂŁ330/year. These will give full or significant coverage for IMS failure and engine replacement/rebuild/exchange. Porsche will ask ÂŁ11k for an engine replacement out of warranty, may offer soem goodwill. Independents such as Autofarm would get the cost of a rebuild down to ÂŁ7k or maybe less.

How often ?? - if you join enough forums you will hear of a failure every 2-3 months on average. The good news is that earlier cars will have more miles on and are maybe ???? less liable to future failure (if they were going to go they would have gone by now attitude ).

Just remember you are buying what was and still is a ÂŁ40-50k sportcar, you will not have Ford Focus running costs, and you need to think about warranties or holding back some funds for contingency.
 
The failure rate can't be too high as there's never been a class action suit in the USA. Its obviously a design fault, and there hasn't been a recall - exactly the combination that normally results in such legal action across the pond.
 
Don't forget they have a 3 year warranty in the USA, and most of the cases I've seen Porsche pick up the tab for the replacement without issue. Doesn't mean its a rare ocurrence , just not so frequently disputed causing reason to post.
 
Thanks guys,

I have been looking through the searches but couldn't get the right search for the answers, will keep persisting.

Thanks for all your information.
 
Did some "research" from previous threads and reached the following conclusion regarding IMS failure:

Old model with low annual mileage per year risky
High mileage, low age, not as risky
Maximum risk between 20,000-30,000 miles
Warranty - low risk !!!

You could of course get a s2000 Honda Very low risk, but you will always be yearning for a Porsche.

 
Goofy, I think you summed it up nicely. One point to add, post mid 2006 cars and anything with a 3.4 engine will have the thicker thread design of IMS. So far I've not seen any postings of newer cars or 3.4L engined boxsters/ caymans failing due to IMS. As to the RMS, its not a catastrophic failure , just an annoying leak. It doesnt effect the clutch as its on the backside of the flywheel , it can also efect tiptronics and is more expensive to fix on these transmissions. Most people leave their RMS leaks until a clutch change.
 
this is all really taking the edge off owning the car for me. part of the reason why i bought it rather than a very nice blue 355 was because of the servicing costs. suddenly adding in a grand for a warranty every year makes it pretty dear.....i was hoping this car would be a keeper....like my reliable morgan - 16 years and one new battery (and yes i use it all year round, never missed a beat, had it since new). i read the ims/rms thread and it makes for pretty scary reading....i missed my call from opc today - guess i'll have to make time tomorrow to discuss this. part of the attraction was the reliability. bvgger!
 
If you are worried about these failures, don't buy.
I'm amazed there are so many Boxsters about having read these doom & death reports. It's a lovely car with an amazingly good sounding engine. Maybe they are better used more, rather than sitting about waiting for 'a good weekend thrash/track day' .
A standard Boxster with a 2.7 litre is hardly overstressed with 228bhp, with correct servicing and a warranty, you could be very happy.
Nothing in life is free. One of my other cars is a Toyota and that has gone wrong a couple of times. What could be worse than a bad car with a 7 year warranty? (not the Toyota) I would just wish they couldn't repair it.
Find a good one and enjoy!

 
ORIGINAL: London987

this is all really taking the edge off owning the car for me. part of the reason why i bought it rather than a very nice blue 355 was because of the servicing costs. suddenly adding in a grand for a warranty every year makes it pretty dear.....i was hoping this car would be a keeper....like my reliable morgan - 16 years and one new battery (and yes i use it all year round, never missed a beat, had it since new). i read the ims/rms thread and it makes for pretty scary reading....i missed my call from opc today - guess i'll have to make time tomorrow to discuss this. part of the attraction was the reliability. bvgger!

This may put your mind at ease
 
i spoke to one of the mechanics today, apparently failures on 987s are not unknown but not too common. The IMS was redesigned and put into cars from '05 on so should be ok - i have asked porsche gb to see if the engine in my car has the nwer part but am not holding my breath - it was delivered may 05.

The RMS has been redesigned but seems a weak point (but if caught in time not fatal). They have been told to keep an eye out (not officially) for this during the cars' first two/three years and replace under warranty - it is likely if the car has been into an opc that the job may have been done. They have this down as a check point at services and are looking through my records to check if it has been done. the chap recommended that although the service interval is 2 years that it is worth taking the car in every other year to check it over. now before you all point out i was speaking to porsche and their job is to sell me stuff, he did seem very genuine and they have been very helpful so far. he pointed out my biggest problem is not using it.....common discussion i seem to have with every car i have!

JCB - I read the post from a few years back when this first kicked off .....you guys really went through the mill ! thanks for the support and apologies if i am dragging up old news everyone. feel free to chip in and tell me to zip it.

ps- apols for the dreadful spelling/typos. this keyboard is rubbish.
 
There are plenty of other warranties that will cover the IMS failure at much cheaper premiums than Porsche's offering. The porsche warranty is not underwritten by porsche anyway , so its the same as buying one from another provider. I have warranty direct covering my car, but others have found cheaper and equally good cover from Tesco. As long as the insurer allows for repairs at a main dealership there is really very little to worry about. Just makes sure you read the small print and understand any exlusions to the policy.
 
ORIGINAL: London987

JCB - I read the post from a few years back when this first kicked off .....you guys really went through the mill ! thanks for the support and apologies if i am dragging up old news everyone. feel free to chip in and tell me to zip it.

ps- apols for the dreadful spelling/typos. this keyboard is rubbish.

I don't think there is any problem with keeping issues in the forefront it's just a matter of keeping it in perspective.

RMS is by far the most common problem but is generally an inconvenience rather than a serious problem. Intermediate shaft failure and slipped liners both catastrophic but thankfully only a tiny proportion of engines have been affected.

It is galling that Porcshe do not acknowledge that any of these issues exist, even when presented with statistical evidence as in the case of the RMS.

 

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