RMS replacement

[john holmes]

Can anyone beat this record - 130 miles the seal is leaking again after being replaced by OPC. Is it a fault on the seal or faulty workmanship. Interested in learning about new tool used in the U.S. for replacing seal - is this in use here? Have many contacts at Suncoast Porsche Club in Florida after recent trip to Sebring - can seek their advice anytime if necessary.

Unable to get a response from Porsche UK about the problem - will not return calls and consider service very poor.

We are still ha ving difficulty sending pictures and not receiving replies - also classed as a non member! why

John Holmes

 

[Mark_Bennett]

Have many contacts at Suncoast Porsche Club in Florida after recent trip to Sebring - can seek their advice anytime if necessary.

Yes please!

Edit: Suncoast CLUB, not Suncoast Porsche!

We are still ha ving difficulty sending pictures and not receiving replies - also classed as a non member! why

See my reply in the 356 photo thread to you a minute or 2 ago![]

 

[Guest]

also classed as a non member! why

Forum users are classed as members after they have confirmed their forum Id (user name) and club membership number to sophia@porscheclubgb.com (as detailed in the registration confirmation email).
There is curently no automatic link between registration for the Forum and confirmation of membership - hence the requiremetn to tell Sophia.

 

[daro911]

ORIGINAL: john holmes

Can anyone beat this record - 130 miles the seal is leaking again after being replaced by OPC.

Unable to get a response from Porsche UK about the problem - will not return calls and consider service very poor.

John Holmes

John are you 100% confident the OPC actually replaced the seal? Any chance they just fiddled around the problem hence it's still there now []

 

[GreigM]

I have heard on the US forums that they believe it is more to do with how the seal is fitted, rather than the seal itself. There is a special tool for fitting it which is up to version number 27 or something ridiculous like that.

 

[Guest]

In my HO and from my limited experience the failure of the Rear Main Oil Seal (RMS) is an issue that few people fully understand. From this and other forums it seems that those with a RMS problem outside warranty have the work completed by Porsche as a goodwill gesture. In the USA it appears that they swap the engine in the event of multiple failings. For those with older cars owners are left with a hefty bill for the work "" or an oily driveway.
For clarification would the PCGB consider involving Porsche formally in this issue to enable us all to have an informed understanding of the in's and out's of the RMS, preferably in the next PP and hopefully before my next purchase!

 

[john holmes]

Maybe your forum works! Next morning at 9 a.m. my call to Porsche UK resulted in car being collected within 30 minutes and taken on low loader to OPC for repair.
Thank you to somebody.

P.S. it was replaced I saw the work in progress.

John

 

[Guest]

Good news John "" pleased to hear that your OPC is looking after you "" after all that's how it should be in the circumstances described. Fingers crossed for the next seal.

The dreaded RMS appears to be the achilles heal of the 998 & 996 engine presently. Following your success do you have any suggestions on how do we get our Club to enter into a dialogue with PCGB to increase our understanding of the issues involved?

Nigel

 

[tim court]

enter into a dialogue with PCGB to increase our understanding

(Assume you meant PGB)

how about enter into dialogue to cure the obvious design flaw, do a recall and sort the issue out properly, or are Porsche unable to do this through lack of tech/design ability???? Don't think so somehow.....

Or is there an easier solution open to Porsche????

How many owners have been suckered into paying for this item even when under a (hah!) warranty??? Hands up please.....

(I have my hand in the air[:-])

I had a 'discussion' with OPC Reading when mine went. They refused to do it under warranty so I thought 'stuff you' and took it to Camtune. It was only after this that I found out it was a very common fault.[][][]

 

[Helen Goff]

How many owners have been suckered into paying for this item even when under a (hah!) warranty??? Hands up please.....

(I have my hand in the air )

 

[Guest]

Helen

As our 'RO leader' is this subject worthy of a poll to see if the problem is as widespread as some of us believe it to be?

We should all be concerned as at some point most owners will sell on our cars and the RMS problem (if proved to be) will have an adverse affect on re-sale values.

Whose arm could we twist at the PCGB to enter into a dialoque with Porsche for further information?

Nigel

 

[Mark_Bennett]

Nigel,

We have been running a poll on the Yahoo PCGB Boxster list for a few weeks now.

Perhaps we have enough data to look at a trend by now.

If we can collate the info I'll make sure we cross-post it here.

 

[Helen Goff]

Hi Nigel,
im afraid im not a moderator on this bit of the forum but im sure Mark Bennet, Digger(JCB)or Nic would be happy to set up a poll on here.

it would be interesting to know if all of us have had the main seal replaced, if it's had to be done more than once.

i wonder is 2.5, 2.7 or 3.2 are any diffrent or if year car was built makes a diffrence.

 

[GreigM]

There's a LOT of talk about this continually on ppbb.com - just search their archives and you will find mountains of information. It is probably the most common problem on the Boxster, but since 2003 models there have been very few, certainly nothing beyond the normal stastistical failings for any engine component.

Prior to 2003 it started off very bad and progressively got better until they pretty much corrected the problem in 2003, but still high numbers every year.

I don't know if it's a large enough problem, or even if it was, it isn't directly safety related and is a pretty expensive thing if the recall basically involved replacing all the engines...so porsche were/are unlikely to recall.

Until recently they adopted the policy of fixing for free in almost all cases, some way beyond warranty period, but their policy on this changed mid-2003 and there are no-freebie fixes beyond warranty, and quite often a good argument to be had even under warranty.

Hopefully I will never have this problem, given mine is an '03, but I constantly check my garage floor for that tell-tale first drip.

 

[JCB..]

I'm actually sick to death of hearing about it.

It is a fact that is troubling a lot of cars. Mine was apparently diagnosed has having the problem at the 24k service although I have never had any oil on the floor from this car.

I am not convinced that in all cases the problem warrants repair and that in all cases all oil leaks are in fact the RMS. Recently reported on PPBB from a chap in Greece a £500 RMS replacement was quoted as the resolution to an oil leak. He fixed it himself by getting underneath and finding that the leak was from a stud/nut on the gearbox. Fixed for a few pence by a washer and a squirt of gasket sealer.

If anyone has paid for this under the Porsche standard 2 year warranty they should take an adult with them the next time they visit an OPC.

Extended Porsche warranties do state that oil leaks are not covered.

JCB..

 

[tim court]

Extended Porsche warranties do state that oil leaks are not covered

That is the get out of jail card they used on me.....

The fact that they have failed to successfully design a trouble-free feature; one that is found on all engines that have a crankshaft popping out of the big hot bit is ignored.

Why they cannot just own up and fix the issue is frustrating. I cannot accept the only cure is a replacement engine. It is a simple round shaft turning in a bearing. Between oily inside and nice outside is a dead simple component. It can only be the surface of the crank, quality problems with seal itself or the way the seal is fitted.

If Trabant can stop the oil pouring out from here I am sure Porsche can and by the sound of it with later engines - have......

Camtune did advise that your local friendly OPC will leap into action at the merest whiff of a suspicion of any fluid leak, wheras Camtune will tell you what they have found and how much longer it will last before it becomes a significant issue. They will voice their opinion as to what you should sensibly do.

I am hoping that the Greek gent's OPC would have spotted the real cause of the leak before ripping his gearbox/clutch off etc.....[]

 

[Guest]

Mark B.
Following your earlier input on the RMS issue on 4th viz "We have been running a poll on the Yahoo PCGB Boxster list for a few weeks now" is there any news yet please on results of the poll at Yahoo PCGB Boxster list?
Also GregM suggests that the problem has been 'solved' on post 2003 - any thoughts or comment on this from owners with 2003 models?
Sorry to be impatient but I am keen to get a better understanding of this issue before I finally part with my hard earned.
Nigel

 

[john holmes]

After 2 weeks my boxster has returned from the OPC after second attempt at replacing RMS - hoping its o.k. Yesterday two boxsters were delivered to my house on separate low loaders, (the other owned by a friend who is away on holiday - suffered different problem which was remedied by OPC) now three porsche family at the moment. Keep you posted even though some are tired with this subject!

 

[dawn lang]

ORIGINAL: JCB..
It is a fact that is troubling a lot of cars. Mine was apparently diagnosed has having the problem at the 24k service although I have never had any oil on the floor from this car.

JCB..

Mine was found at the 24k service too. Like yourself, we didn't realise it and were told that it was only weeping slightly therefore we wouldn't be suffering with oil on the driveway just yet - only that the problem would get worse.

Our OPC mentioned the idea of a goodwill claim from Porsche - we never even thought of it as we weren't aware that this was a common Boxster problem at the time of diagnosis - and the car was six months outside it's warranty period.

However, 3 months later (yest a whole three months) we got the go-ahead and were told that Porsche would be covering 100% of the claim.

Shame not all OPC's work so hard for their customers.