Having owned my first Porsche for a little over a month, I'm quickly learning lessons. As it turns out, if you take the 944 S2 out for an enthusiastic drive and the badge panel isn't fastened properly (by previous owner), at about 140mph, it has a tendancy to bend backwards/upwards in a dramatic fashion in turn bowing the bonnet slightly. I've found a spare bonnet and badge panel but they are from an S1 so I was wondering if these panels are interchangable between these models before I shell out.
S1/S2 body Panels
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944 man
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Its a small point, but it may help you avoid confusion. Series one, series two and S2 have nothing in common. By this I mean that it is a mistake to describe anything preceding the S2 (Super2) as an S1. Series one cars were manufactured from 1981 until August 1985. Series two cars were manufactured from September 1985 onwards. The name S2 is derived from the 2,500cc S or Super: with the S2 being a logical development of this first model.
Series one and 924 badge panels were welded on, wheras series two badge panels were bolted on. You can retro-fit a series 2 badge panel to an early car: and thats all Porsche can supply now.. An S2 uses a 951 type badge panel, which attaches in the same manner as other series 2 parts, but its a different shape, with an extended leading edge.
Simon
Series one and 924 badge panels were welded on, wheras series two badge panels were bolted on. You can retro-fit a series 2 badge panel to an early car: and thats all Porsche can supply now.. An S2 uses a 951 type badge panel, which attaches in the same manner as other series 2 parts, but its a different shape, with an extended leading edge.
Simon
Stu Alderson
New member
While not wishing to cut across 944Man, according to PET, the part number for 924S, 944, 944S2 & Turbo is identical at 944-511-905-00. (Bonnet)
The difference is in the "Badge" panel's
-> '89 944-503-033-02
from the inception of the S2 it became 951-503-033-00, as 944Man says, the same as the older Turbo model. So you should be OK with the bonnet, just not with the badge panel.
PET has been known to be wrong in the past so its best to check either way.
Regards
Stu
The difference is in the "Badge" panel's
-> '89 944-503-033-02
from the inception of the S2 it became 951-503-033-00, as 944Man says, the same as the older Turbo model. So you should be OK with the bonnet, just not with the badge panel.
PET has been known to be wrong in the past so its best to check either way.
Regards
Stu
944 man
Active member
Have I missed the point? Sorry: Im rushing. Series one bonnets differ to series two parts too. The difference is in the reinforcing, which matches the shape of the firewall. As with the badge panel Porsche only supply the later part now. Personally Id look for a series two bonnet because you get a good degree of fire and fume protection from a part that fits correctly.
Simon
Simon
944 man
Active member
Ive re-read the OP carefully now... The badge panel isnt suitable, it s a weld on part and its the wrong shape; and the bonnet, if its original, is far from suitable too. With series two parts being so cheap now Id keep looking: the days when 1986> bonnets being worth £200 are LONG gone (unless you work for DVB who are in a timewarp - sometimes joined by Buttercup [
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eta: Im presuming of course, that the OP has a 3,000cc S2 and not just a series two 944...
Simon
])...eta: Im presuming of course, that the OP has a 3,000cc S2 and not just a series two 944...
Simon
Stu Alderson
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Hi Simon,
As I stated I did not want to cut across your thread, but according to the offical Porsche parts catalog, the bonnet part numbers remain the same from the 924S thru to the Turbo/S2... And totally agree, again as stated that the badge panels are completely different to accomodate the Turbo/S2 fron panel/wing arrangement.
Stu
As I stated I did not want to cut across your thread, but according to the offical Porsche parts catalog, the bonnet part numbers remain the same from the 924S thru to the Turbo/S2... And totally agree, again as stated that the badge panels are completely different to accomodate the Turbo/S2 fron panel/wing arrangement.
Stu
Stu Alderson
New member
Most strange I've had the email advisin of your reply, but as yet it has not appeared on thread ...LOL..... (and I complain about low speed internet connections)
RE: S1/S2 body Panels
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The bonnet was superceded in the early mid-nineties Stu. From this point onwards only the later series two type bonnet was supplied by Porsche. The difference can be seen if you can find a picture of an early and a late car side by side with their bonnets raised (which I cant...); or deduced by looking at a couple of under-bonnet shots of the same. The shape of the firewall differs on the later cars, from that of series one 944s and 924s.
Simon, I do not dispute what you are saying, indeed I probably agree more than even I realise. The point I was making in the latest itteration of PET, it does actually state the same part number for the 924S/944/Turbo and S2, that is not to say it is not the "Later version" though there is no reference to alternatives other than the 924. But it does suggest that at least they are "backwardly" compatible. Again, not wanting this to run and run, will check out my 4 tomorrow all of which are different models 924S/924Turbo/944Lux and a S2 for good measure ...(tis a bit dark to be doing it right now ...LOL ....)
Best wishes ....[]
RE: S1/S2 body Panels
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The bonnet was superceded in the early mid-nineties Stu. From this point onwards only the later series two type bonnet was supplied by Porsche. The difference can be seen if you can find a picture of an early and a late car side by side with their bonnets raised (which I cant...); or deduced by looking at a couple of under-bonnet shots of the same. The shape of the firewall differs on the later cars, from that of series one 944s and 924s.
Simon, I do not dispute what you are saying, indeed I probably agree more than even I realise. The point I was making in the latest itteration of PET, it does actually state the same part number for the 924S/944/Turbo and S2, that is not to say it is not the "Later version" though there is no reference to alternatives other than the 924. But it does suggest that at least they are "backwardly" compatible. Again, not wanting this to run and run, will check out my 4 tomorrow all of which are different models 924S/924Turbo/944Lux and a S2 for good measure ...(tis a bit dark to be doing it right now ...LOL ....)
Best wishes ....[
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Peter Empson
PCGB Member
This whole series one and two thing can get very confusing, especially as the 968 is often termed a 944S3...
For clarification I prefer pre 85.5 944, post 85.5 944 and 944 Turbo and 944 S2. And yes I'm aware the whole 85.5 thing is itself not entirely clear cut but I think it's a lot less confusing than having a Series 2 and an S2 that are not the same thing.
Just my 2pence worth though...
For clarification I prefer pre 85.5 944, post 85.5 944 and 944 Turbo and 944 S2. And yes I'm aware the whole 85.5 thing is itself not entirely clear cut but I think it's a lot less confusing than having a Series 2 and an S2 that are not the same thing.
Just my 2pence worth though...
Stu Alderson
New member
Now Now Tony....... you know that is a whole new bag of worms .....LOL []
][FONT="]Ok, with all of this information in mind I have asked the seller for additinal information. I now appreciate that there is a vast difference between a 944 series 1/2 and a 944S and 944S2. So to clarify, my car is a 1989 944S2 3000cc and the doner vehicle is described as a [FONT="]944 s1 2.5l 1986.![[FONT=verdana,geneva"]](/forum/styles/default/pcgb/space.gif ". [FONT=verdana,geneva\"]")
If I'm reading this information correctly, this would mean that the bonnet should fit (as it's post '85). My only concern would therefore be with regard to the badge panel as
If I'm reading this information correctly, this would mean that the bonnet should fit (as it's post '85). My only concern would therefore be with regard to the badge panel as
Peter Empson
PCGB Member
Bonnet will indeed be fine, but as Simon mentioned, the badge panel will definately be the wrong shape, it wont match the bumper or the headlights. It can't be too hard to find the right panel at a breakers, they're normally plentiful and therefore cheap.
944 man
Active member
ORIGINAL: Stu Alderson
Most strange I've had the email advisin of your reply, but as yet it has not appeared on thread ...LOL..... (and I complain about low speed internet connections)
RE: S1/S2 body Panels
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The bonnet was superceded in the early mid-nineties Stu. From this point onwards only the later series two type bonnet was supplied by Porsche. The difference can be seen if you can find a picture of an early and a late car side by side with their bonnets raised (which I cant...); or deduced by looking at a couple of under-bonnet shots of the same. The shape of the firewall differs on the later cars, from that of series one 944s and 924s.
Simon, I do not dispute what you are saying, indeed I probably agree more than even I realise. The point I was making in the latest itteration of PET, it does actually state the same part number for the 924S/944/Turbo and S2, that is not to say it is not the "Later version" though there is no reference to alternatives other than the 924. But it does suggest that at least they are "backwardly" compatible. Again, not wanting this to run and run, will check out my 4 tomorrow all of which are different models 924S/924Turbo/944Lux and a S2 for good measure ...(tis a bit dark to be doing it right now ...LOL ....)
Best wishes ....[
They will list the same part number Stu, because it has been superceded. If you look at PET more closely, this time at the 1975-1980 2,000cc 924 model, youll see that Porsche list the series two 944 bonnet part number for that too. This is because it has superceded the earlier models which are no longer serviced (Porsche do still list the '477' prefixed 924 Turbo stick bonnet for this application). Youll see the same in the 1980-1985 924 catalogue too: there they have also superceded the 924 Turbo ram Bonnet, although the '937' prefixed 924 Carrera GT bonnet is still listed!
Off the top of my head there were three principal types of bonnet (six if you include the 931 stick and the 931 and 937 ram). 924 with a support, replaced by 924 with gas rams which was also used on the series one 944 (still with a '477' part number). Finally the series two 944, which also had gas rams (Porsche also produced 931 & 937 versions of the 924 bonnets, which had revised internal bracing in order to accomodate the NACA duct / intercooler inlet, which Ive already mentioned). All of the bonnets supplied before September 1985 carried a '477' parts number prefix (apart from the '937' C-GT part), as they were 924-derived parts (even the 931 bonnets, surprisingly).
Simon
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