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DSCBoy

DSCBoy

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It's a small triumph, but I've just had it confirmed to me that the factory does keep records of what we've been calling the shell-number and what they call the production number relative to VIN number.

They also confirmed the story of my car (shell), that it was indeed built as the 964 RS 3.8 Clubsport with VIN ending 112.

More than a little chuffed to have it officially confirmed as you might imagine!

Merry Xmas all!
 
Did they confirm that the interior too was also 'extremely gay' ??[:D] [:D] [:D]

Nice to have the paperwork mate - huge well done!

Wonder if they'll give me a VIN number for mine then.....must have a spare one[:D][:D][:D]

Merry xmas bud
 
Not sure what to do with interior/exterior now, obviously temptation is to take her back to the original spec... interior is just too nicely done to rip out and bin though...

Anyone want to swap 500bhp/500nm of Gemballa 993 twin turbo motor for a nice original 964 RS 3.8 motor with a paltry 340bhp or so?

Also on the hunt for an original rear wing and front splitter....

Doubt factory will reissue VIN but to be honest with confirmation what the original VIN was there is no real need... although I am going to ask nicely...

Cheers!
 
ORIGINAL: jason

Did they confirm that the interior too was also 'extremely gay' ??[:D] [:D] [:D]
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Rick,

are you sure it was the Infineon guy and not Liberace who owned it before you?[:D]

Seriously, I´m happy you have a good result finally. Thanks again for Oschersleben this year and

Merry Christmas!


All the best,

Hacki
 
Definately a good result. Its a bit of a delemia on what to do the with the spec. I guess dont rush into anything. I'd be tempted to turn back to original, but that might not be the right thing to do. Also, perhaps you get more enjoyment out of it in its current spec?
 
Surely the Infineon story itself has merit ?

It is what it is ... [;)]

Rick, congratulations --- and it is exactly what you thought it was [8D]

 
3.8 engines come up now and again. Last one I saw was fully rebuilt and 10K in Sweden about a year ago.

I would always go original for maximised investment return! ;O)
 
Well done DSCBoy .... another Example of Tomas not really knowing what he has, because if he did no way you would get it for £**k .... no wonder he stalled the sale .... Must be worth £150,000 plus with right interior, does the engine number match anything, is it an original 3.8 Lump?

We are the RS Detectives ......

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Rick, having just re-read your first post, I think you are mistaken. You start by saying "It is a small triumph". It looks more like a Porsche to me. That must be some bodykit! I'm sure there's a good market for that! [:D][:D]
 
Will admit, the "putting one over Thomas" does create a warm glow...
And yes, won't have harmed the value... ;-)
I've decided I'll "gather" parts to make it back to original but not do it for now.
So keep eyes and ears open for a 3.8 RS motor please (mine is based on a 993 C4S motor I think), an original rear wing and front splitters. Think that's all I'm missing...
Was there much difference between the gearbox in the 3.8 and the standard RS anyone know? There's a chance my gearbox is out of the crashed RS rather than original but seems a little unlikely.
Oh and if anyone comes across a nice 911 with a blown motor I might be interested (would transfer the biturbo lump eventually)
Cheers
Rick
 
Rick you have the shell number, but chassis number? Can you reimpose that on the shell, then YOU ARE away at the races in my mind .....[:)]
 
Rick - do us all a favour and remind us of what you actually have? I remember your original long complex posting of two cars and crashes and switching and shells and rich playboys and bankruptcies etc etc but have no idea what this infineon actually is made up of?

What do you actually have as far as production numbers, chassis numbers, VIN numbers etc, what is the body and engine, where is it from, what parts are what and when were they put on?

It seems to me this may be quite expensive to 'build' into something...if it was never that something in the first place and doesn't have any history? Will there be an actual demand at a higher value when people know what it was and has become? Will it ever have a correct matching VIN number...or does it already?

Really intrigued by this car and its story but as I'm more confuesd than an Air Cooled Obsessive looking to buy a GT3 I need enlightenment!

[:D][:D][:D]
 
Jason, as always an very astute post [;)]

Happy Chrstmas --- I hope you are taking a day off [:D][:D][:D]
 

ORIGINAL: ChrisW

Jason, as always an very astute post [;)]

Happy Chrstmas --- I hope you are taking a day off [:D][:D][:D]
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Nope, still here[:D] Well it was this or Home Alone 2[:D][:D]

Genuinely intrigued though as obviously doing a resto on my RSR which doesn't have a VIN and won't probably ever. The only reason I think it is worth such a large investment on my behalf is that I now have the full story on it...the fact Wolfgang won a 964 as prize for German Carrera Trophy in 1991 and instead took a 964RSR shell from the factory, the fact that I have all the factory invoices for it and the build details, the racing history and all the pics throughout its life. Now if I had not had all of this and just had the shell then I believe its value would have been totally different and the investment in it more limited. Just want to get a grasp on Ricks car to be able to offer my 'advice'...which is tricky to do until you know what it is. Something tells me though thats its story to date gives it more value than changing it. Changing it to a factory 3.8RS clubsport now may make its history more 'blurred' by making it something it never was and so effect its actual value rather than enhance it? Although if it has a matching 3.8RS CS shell AND matching numbers VIN which will show what its build was originally then I'd do it! If not then the Porsche confirmation confirms the story he was given in the first place....which is great and interesting enough.[:)]
 
Buy this swap the engines over and sell minty to Des! Job done.

http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/28149/Porsche_964_RSR_replica.html
 
Right, long story short...
My car started out as one of the 7 * 3.8 RS Clubsports known to have been built.
Original owner had a 3.8 RSR built up from a factory shell and decided he wanted to road register that after a heavy rear-end impact that broke the motor put him off any more track days.
In order to do so he removed the engine and the VIN from mine, replacing my motor with a Turbo Technic Pietz (Gemballa) biturbo based on motor out of a 993 C4S and the VIN from a very early 964 RS C/S (#030).

I've now managed to confirm the shell number on the rear parcel shelf of mine does indeed match the build number of the 3.8 RS C/S (#117) so the above story would appear to be true.

Still investigating what rights I have to the original VIN, but as you will all know there are plenty of historic cars out there that have identical VINs on them and I'm guessing that my car has as much or more rights to the number than a car that only has the engine of the original car?

As I said, if I can pick up a nice 3.8 RS motor and original rear wing/ front splitter I will do so. But I think the history of the "Infineon" is sort of special in it's own right so I'm not going to muck with it for now.

Paul, you're an expert on these things, I assume there's not much difference between a 3.8 RS and a RSR motor?

Cheers
Rick
 
ok got it now.

If you can get it correctly VIN registered to your car then I would get a 3.8RS motor and put it back to 3.8RS CS spec - it will be correct in all ways then other than matching engine but with a correct one. That would be cool and a result and it deserves to be back as it was originally!

Have a feeling you will find a lot of difference between a 3.8rs and 3.8rsr motor.
 
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