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Should I be worried?

pauljmcnulty

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Car's in for MOT and service at a new specialist. No word from them yet....

Either it's really bad news and they are too scared to call me, or the team are too busy standing around the car admiring it?

[&:]
 
I'd go for standing around admiring it - most places aren't shy about phoning to add some items to the work order - unless they are little piddly things and they are being extra thorough looking for a high profit repair. Frankly I would expect things like MOT inspections to go to the back of the line so the more profitable work can get started.
 

ORIGINAL: andrew_churcher

Why the new specialist?

Probably due to the comical prices which the majority of 'specialists' in the South East charge. They're a joke and completely unjustifiable, other than by the person whose children's educations you're paying for. Mortgage too.
 

ORIGINAL: andrew_churcher

Why the new specialist?


The previous ones (RPM) let me down badly (really badly) two years ago. On complaining, I was offered a discount the next year, and was happy it had been a genuine mistake.

Last year, I got the car back with a massive bill, but in pretty neglected condition, and with jobs I'd asked to be done completely ignored.

I'll always give people a chance to rectify a mistake, but not a second chance. Not any sort of "name and shame", just that they didn't seem to care about the car, or my business, and it was clear they've moved on to bigger and better things.

The problem, IMO, is the same as with other larger indies. There's more money in the newer machinery with the major faults they suffer from, so the 944s get dumped on the apprentice. That's unfair if the prices have rocketed to near main dealer rates. There was also no supervision of the work, or test drive after the service, which would have picked up the glaring faults.

Another indie, JZ Machtech, initially said they were refusing to work on the 24/44/68 cars because spares were unobtainable. They later changed that to a more realistic point: they might spend hours stripping a car, diagnosing a fault, speaking to the owner, only to be told "it's too expensive so put it all together again and I'll go elsewhere". I think other indies will be taking that view as well, as many "ordinary" 944s cost more to service than they are worth.

Little things matter. My rear number plate was loose, and I asked them to re-fix it. When I picked the car up it was hanging off at 45 degrees, so plainly no-one had cleaned the car, walked around it to have a final once-over, or read the flippin' job sheet! [:mad:]
 
You guys seem to get ripped off big style down south, they are nuts and bolts all said and done, any amount of spares available for these cars, a friend has his own garage (He owns an S2) a customer has recently turned up and wants all the belts done inc auxillary, coolant and brake fluid renewed along with fresh gearbox oil, plugs, filters and front wheel bearing adjusted along with a few other bits and bobs.
Circa £650 [;)]
 

ORIGINAL: 944 man


ORIGINAL: andrew_churcher

Why the new specialist?

Probably due to the comical prices which the majority of 'specialists' in the South East charge. They're a joke and completely unjustifiable, other than by the person whose children's educations you're paying for. Mortgage too.

Hi - is this just parts prices or labour rate or combo? I would hav thought that for some of the more common jobs there would be consistency across indies on pricing given most people do call around a bit looking for the best deal and an average price
 
You guys seem to get ripped off big style down south, they are nuts and bolts all said and done

The trouble is supply and demand.

I have a great garage who look after the van and the Legacy, proper old-school engineers. They are now £65 per hour plus vat, and booked up to two weeks ahead. My last van service in May left me with some complaints, as they'd rushed things, and I can see they are going to raise prices again to try to cut their workload.

They are the cheapest around here for what the offer, so what do you do? Rents are silly for any unit with motor trade approval, and demand is high for the service.

Given that rate for someone who's never worked on a 944, you'll understand that paying the same at a specialist, or even a little more, makes sense as they will always be a bit faster if they know the cars inside-out.
 

ORIGINAL: Ex Skyline

I think they are going to send you a really massive bill Paul [:(].

After the last few years, getting only a a "really" massive bill would be a relief! [&:]

Not that I resent spending the money on her, just that it's regular servicing, or items that were supposed to be the cheap option. When that comes in at £000s every time you do get a bit despondant.

Replacing the fuel lines with the more economical braided ones, in a special kit that means no dropping the rear beam etc., shouldn't take 5 hours, and cost nearly a grand!

When the car was sprayed, I took a new air filter as the badge panel was coming off: a sensible thing to do. Finding the old one was a 2008 part was worrying, but on mentioning it the answer was "we don't change the air filter on an S2 in the standard service". 5 years without mentioning it??

Little things, but it's not what I expect from a specialist. I think it's the price of expanding so fast: the person working on the car used to be the boss, now he's not even in the workshop supervising, or signing the cars off when finished.
 
Is this where I mention that the total labour bill for my broken oil pickup pipe repair started with a 3?

[:D]
 
I have to say, I used rpm in the past for quite a few jobs. Some big, some small. On one job the total cost was a lot more than the quote but they stuck with the original quote.

While they serviced my car, I didn't really have an issue with them or the cost. I can't say the same for another porsche specialist closer to where I live.
 
I have to say, I used rpm in the past for quite a few jobs

To put it in context, I've used them for nigh on ten years, and bought my S2 from them.

The change was dramatic when they moved/expanded, and the whole set-up changed. Whilst they have been fine dealing with complaints, IMO they need to do a bit more checking before the customer gets the car back, and avoid the complaints!

Previously, it was two blokes in a cowshed, and I was on my back holding the spanners and helping. Now you hand your keys over to a pretty receptionist, and she gives you a very large bill. I think the people with the real skills on the '44s aren't on the tools any more, and there is no checking before the final hand-over of the cars.

Fair enough if their business model has moved them away from the older cars towards the money-pit newer ones: I'd have done the same....[:D]
 
The problem with independants (for normal cars) is that only a few can be trusted. Most of the indies near me tend to give the car 4 more faults than when it went in! Even the specialists can cause issues (as I found out on two cars.

Indeed, the chap who I bought a Dolly Sprint off spent £6k in two years going to various garages (one who dealt in E-Types (where I guess there is cash to made), yet like Mr McNulters the work did not seem to be done when I checked the car over (8mm Toe Out vs. factory spec of 1mm Toe in anyone yet billing the owner for adjusting the suspension)? That is before I get to balljoint boots which looked to have been careless cut etc). You wonder whether the garages use the reputation of cars to charge as they wish.

The truth I guess is that a grand or two does not buy that much work on a car these days :(. This is probably why I persist on being foolish and working on my cars where I can (or that I am simply tight and cynical all in one measure).

Anyway, back on topic, I reckon it is nothing too serious :).
 

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