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some wrrying and very stupid idea all your cars could be at risk

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Just been reading the autocar site and found this in the news section complete and utter rubbish the idea is.
The EU want to go to vote over banning cars that can do over 101mph because it will lower emissions apparently and because there is no speed limit where that is possible ( I thought some parts of the Autobahn were derestricted)
Well here's address anyway http://www.autocarmag.com/News/NewsArticle/AllCars/225964/

 
It is one of the silliest things I've read recently, but can't see it as being a threat, particularly when they spout such sh1te as

"between 1994 and 2004 the power of new cars went up by 28 per cent, making them a lot heavier"

Huh? Surely the power has to go up because the cars are getting heavier due to the safety features that are now necessary (and don't get me started on the stupidity of the Ncap rating system).

The craziness of this idea could mean we could have high powered cars with gearing limited to 100, think of the acceleration possible! The reality surely is that they'd just have to fit an electronic limiter, but I can't help thinking they wont be happy with this as it rather defeats the CO2 argument they're trying to make.

The Isle of Man also has unrestricted speed limits in places, as well as the parts of the Autobahn you mention.
 
It is a stupid idea, however Chris Davies MEP wants his 15 minutes of fame, so give it to him, look his name up on google, get his office phone number and ring him
for a chat.

Idiots only get away with things like this because of apathy from people like us.
 
I don't need to drive at 100mph to create massive CO2 emmissions on my 142mph car. All that I need to do is drive it across town and at an average speed of 4mph and I get 11mpg. On the open road, the consumption is three times better at 34mpg at 17.5 times the speed. In using their logic therefore, I would propose that we ban urban areas of more than 1000 people to decrease emissions by one third immediately.

Mike
(member of TGR and getting really tired of useless legislation as a method of 'being seen to do something')
 
Well it is very stupid in all honesty I'm not really that worried they'll put it in it's just too stupid but there again they have made that rule that by 2012 all cars must produce no more than 130g/km which is just as stupid means that most cars won't be able to go that fast because they'll have some measily power or wieghed down by the most pointless and not very environmental Hybrids.
That's envriomentalists (must be a reason why it has mentalists in the word) for you
 
I really believe that there is no limit to the stupidity of these people. I was talking the other day to a Carbon trader (who, despite, or because of, his cynicism, will make a great deal of money out of all this) what will happen when we have a cold winter (I mean 1963 cold) and he said "Oh, I expect they'll switch to plan B, and say "we said that global warming would produce volatile weather."

So, we can't really win. We had a thread going here on 'Green Issues' a few weeks ago and all the points made there still apply; the objective is, I repeat, to reduce a lobotomised population to travelling on public transport. remember that scene in Dr. Zhivago with Klaus Kinski?

What a load of sunspots...
 
Apparently according to something or other can't remember now the Earth has been heating up fairly rapidly since before the industrial revoloution so this Global warming is a load of cobblers anyway the Earth goes through cold and warm points anyway instead of worrying about stopping it (immpossible anyway) how about what we are going to do to cope with it
 
When is this mass hysteria going to stop?

Remember a few years ago when Transport 2000 was a pressure group of 2 people which managed to change Govt policy on all sorts of transport issues?

Well, there are more than 2 of us, so surely we can do something to stop this nonsense?

Some hope....mark my words, 1984 gets closer every day[>:]
 
Quite agree - I was just listening to the PM programme (R4) when this subject came up. The argument was pathetic: Q: "Is it not immoral to build cars which will break the speed limit? A: In Germany, they don't have a speed limit." This last from some inarticulate git (a plant, I suspect) who had no rebuttal to hand.

Well, that speed limit can change; what needs to happen is that the pro-car lobby needs to get properly organised on the basis of safety, liberty, reliability, flexibility, etc.

By the way, why do we have roads?

I suppose we can all write each other Carbon offset chits!
 
I think they are hoping it is man made because if it isn't and can't be stopped by man, we will all need to evolve webbed feet rapidly. It has all happened naturally before on a catastrophic scale but we weren't around at that point to become extinct. Unlike now.

I have seen the global warming graphs and also noted the 'sun spot theory' and bottom line is that all the theories are just that until proven, then they become fact. Right now we have a heap of theories and people will believe what suits there agenda. When it becomes fact we will either be living on the hill top islands feeling a bit despondent or freezing our backsides off trying to get the 'eco friendly' electric car to move in a blizzard and wondering where the global warming went and that nice petrol driven car that ran at less affable temperatures.

Some facts and fiction:
Bio fuels are a non starter and are of dubious ethics, as 25% of the worlds population would be hogging farm land and water to grow food to burn in their cars, while a fat percentage of the left over polulation are starving to death.

Biggest producer (man made) of methane, are rice paddies, not cows as is populaly believed.

We will actually never run out of fossil fuels. What will happen is that it will become to expensive to burn.
Or Russia will turn off the tap to Europe and rule the world.

It takes 55ha of woodland to be set aside for growing the timber to heat one 40 000 sqft office. Therefor if we all swopped to Biomass boilers tommorrow...... we would run out of space to grow the timber before we ran out of oil. I have the proposal for the office block on my desk. And I had to read it twice.

So, either way we are screwed.
 
if they really wanted to save some serious money and reduce emmisions at a stroke they would enable home working and get rid of all the intown offices and commuting and city congestion ! now theres a threat I could live with.
With networking , video conferencing and `logmein' PC software it would be easy for most of us to do it tomorrow.
 
How much CO2 is emitted by the drinks of coca cola ?



probably none if they get it out the air in the first place :)

Tony
 
From Melanie Philips diary,

The green shoots of reason

Last night I was on the panel on BBC TV's Question Time, which you can view
<http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/question_time/%20> here. The subject
of the G8 and global warming came up, and I made a brief reference to the
remarkable
<http://www.vaclavklaus.cz/klaus2/asp/clanek_tisk.asp?id=IgDUIjFzEXAz%20>
speech made by the Czech President Vaclav Klaus when he appeared before the
American Congressional committee on energy and commerce. This is part of
what he said:

The - so called - climate change and especially man-made climate change has
become one of the most dangerous arguments aimed at distorting human efforts
and public policies in the whole world.

My ambition is not to bring additional arguments to the scientific
climatological debate about this phenomenon. I am convinced, however, that
up to now this scientific debate has not been deep and serious enough and
has not provided sufficient basis for the policymakers' reaction. What I am
really concerned about is the way the environmental topics have been misused
by certain political pressure groups to attack fundamental principles
underlying free society. It becomes evident that while discussing climate we
are not witnessing a clash of views about the environment but a clash of
views about human freedom.

As someone who lived under communism for most of my life I feel obliged to
say that the biggest threat to freedom, democracy, the market economy and
prosperity at the beginning of the 21st century is not communism or its
various softer variants. Communism was replaced by the threat of ambitious
environmentalism. This ideology preaches earth and nature and under the
slogans of their protection - similarly to the old Marxists - wants to
replace the free and spontaneous evolution of mankind by a sort of central
(now global) planning of the whole world.

The environmentalists consider their ideas and arguments to be an
undisputable truth and use sophisticated methods of media manipulation and
PR campaigns to exert pressure on policymakers to achieve their goals. Their
argumentation is based on the spreading of fear and panic by declaring the
future of the world to be under serious threat. In such an atmosphere they
continue pushing policymakers to adopt illiberal measures, impose arbitrary
limits, regulations, prohibitions, and restrictions on everyday human
activities and make people subject to omnipotent bureaucratic
decision-making. To use the words of Friedrich Hayek, they try to stop free,
spontaneous human action and replace it by their own, very doubtful human
design.

The environmentalist paradigm of thinking is absolutely static. They neglect
the fact that both nature and human society are in a process of permanent
change, that there is and has been no ideal state of the world as regards
natural conditions, climate, distribution of species on earth, etc. They
neglect the fact that the climate has been changing fundamentally throughout
the existence of our planet and that there are proofs of substantial climate
fluctuations even in known and documented history. Their reasoning is based
on historically short and incomplete observations and data series which
cannot justify the catastrophic conclusions they draw. They neglect the
complexity of factors that determine the evolution of the climate and blame
contemporary mankind and the whole industrial civilization for being the
decisive factors responsible for climate change and other environmental
risks.

By concentrating on the human contribution to the climate change the
environmentalists ask for immediate political action based on limiting
economic growth, consumption, or human behavior they consider hazardous.
They do not believe in the future economic expansion of the society, they
ignore the technological progress the future generations will enjoy, and
they ignore the proven fact that the higher the wealth of society is, the
higher is the quality of the environment.

The policymakers are pushed to follow this media-driven hysteria based on
speculative and hard evidence lacking theories, and to adopt enormously
costly programs which would waste scarce resources in order to stop the
probably unstoppable climate changes, caused not by human behavior but by
various exogenous and endogenous natural processes (such as fluctuating
solar activity).

Indeed. Of course, most of the Question Time audience were open-mouthed at
my heresy, as one would expect with an ideological Big Lie which takes a
society by the throat and brooks absolutely no dissent. That's why Vaclav
Klaus was absolutely bang on to identify man-made global warming as yet
another totalitarian ideology. But in view of that, it was very interesting
to note nevertheless that a significant section of that Question Time
audience were audibly on my side on this issue; and I have been receiving a
steady stream of public support since the programme from people who have
also rumbled the scam. Clearly, there are many, many individuals who are
silently refusing to sign up to this demonstrable absurdity, and who are
resisting it in the way that all peoples resist lies which are imposed on
pain of social ostracism, professional exile or worse - in their minds,
which no-one can touch, and where the flame of truth and freedom never dies.

 
ORIGINAL: TTM

I hope they will let me drive a 944 when they put me in the Matrix [:D]

How do you know you're not already in the Matrix?? I'd love to learn the art of Kung Foo in 20 seconds. Or even better, learn how to drive a car like Walter Rhorl!

I think the cause of the problem here is that the vast majority of the extra revenue raised by this government has not been channeled into the NHS, the Police force, the armed forces etc. It's actually been channeled into extra government departments, more civil servants, and wose of all, more politicians. The net result is that the devil makes work for idle hands therefore all these extra civil servants and politicians need to make themselves busy, and the result is pathetic scheme after pathetic scheme after pathetic scheme.

When it comes to environmental theories there is not one that is more unproven and based on very shaky scientific theory as global warming due to CO2 emissions. The climatologists can't even predict the what the weather is going to be doing in 24hrs time - do they really expect us to believe that they know what it will be doing in 100 years time??! It is actually scientific fact that the sun is in the middle of a period of high activity. This has been directly measured by the increase in number and intensity of sun spots and the reduction of X-ray radiation - blown away by the solar wind.

The frustration with the whole man-made global warming thing is that you listen to the environmentalists onTV and it is clear that they don't really understand it themselves and are clearly jumping on the bandwagon. There was this guy on TV the other day bathing in his own sense of superiority over everyone else, boasting about his new electric car. Doesn't he realise how his precious electricity is being generated in the first place?
 

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