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Still impressive after all these years...

sawood12

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Watched a re-run of TG this afternoon. It was the one that compared a load of hot hatches (current Golf GTi, Leon Cupra, previous Civic Type R, Megane 225). The Golf got a time of 1m33s in the hands of the Stig round their track.

Also in that particular episode was the 'Buy a Porsche for £1500' thing. If you remember this culminated in the three cars setting a time round the track at the hands of the Stig.

Bearing in mind James May's 944 Lux (early dash model) was 20+ yrs old, was a pretty tatty example and would have had old tired suspension and an engine that probably was not developing the 170 ish HP it had when it rolled off the production line it posted a time pretty much exactly the same as the new Golf GTi, which has 198bhp and modern suspension, brakes, traction control, electronic brake distribution etc.

Not bad eh. Just goes to show that 1. BHP figures are no indication of how good a car really is, and 2. At the end of the day you can't beat a good old fashioned well engineered chassis.

Bearing in mind the TG track was designed by Lotus to give a good reflection of a cars performance combining challenging corners and a good straight, so is a pretty representative test I think.

Just for reference the quickest hot hatch was the Type R at 1m32s, so not that much further ahead than the Lux. Also the cream crackered 928 JC had got 1:35 (if you remember it had at least one piston that was gnawing its way through the Alusil) bore and the 924 got a similar time albeit on uprated suspension.

So big Respect to the 944 Lux!!
 
Perhaps not my car, but I think a mechanically sorted, healthy S2 or Turbo would embarras many modern performance cars and raise a few eyebrows with a much faster than expected time. May even boost flagging 944 values too!
 
did anyone see the recent rerun of Tiff Needel driving the 944 turbo ? it was a beautiful dove blue which had been restored .Not surprisingly Tiff drove it round the track like an old woman [:(] spect it was someones car.Pity I would love to see him really push it.
He raced them really sucessfully in the 80s I must see if I can get some video of some of the races.
 
Scott, Interesting. No, didn't see it (don't watch TV) but that's an interesting observation. The new Golf GTi is meant to be a pretty sorted car as well ....

Peanut - I'd love to see some of that video, if you find a youtube link (or similar). Or even the one of Tiff getting the Dove Blue 951 around a track more recently. I didn't know he had raced them. (And I personally reckon he is about the only motoring programme presenter who can actually drive ... )


Oli.
 
ORIGINAL: zcacogp

Scott, Interesting. No, didn't see it (don't watch TV) but that's an interesting observation. The new Golf GTi is meant to be a pretty sorted car as well ....

Peanut - I'd love to see some of that video, if you find a youtube link (or similar). Or even the one of Tiff getting the Dove Blue 951 around a track more recently. I didn't know he had raced them. (And I personally reckon he is about the only motoring programme presenter who can actually drive ... )


Oli.

He is a great driver and he was very enthusiastic about the 951.
 
Jason Plato is obviously a great driver too, being a very successfull BTCC driver. No TV presenter though, in my opinion. Very annoying.
 
... or a bicycle against a challenger tank? Or possibly a potato peeler against a samurai sword? Or maybe an 8-stone chav against Frank Bruno?

Similar end result.


Oli.

(Lemon - thanks for the link. Will watch at home later.)
 
ORIGINAL: peanut

Tiff drove it round the track like an old woman [:(] spect it was someones car.

That was Rob Holmes car from West Midlands region. A few years ago a request came through the Titanic 944 mail list for a 944T for Tiff to drive on Telly. As a man we all took one step backwards for fear of having our tyres shredded and gearbox destroyed by the Sideways Meister but as can be seen he drove it like a Granny and we all wish we'd volunteered now [&o]
 
ORIGINAL: jimbob

How about a audi tt 1.8 quattro 225 turbo.against 944s2 or944turbo.

I was thinking of pitting an S2 or Turbo against a better modern performance car than that! The TT is, by all acounts too heavy, slow and doesn't handle very well.
 
Indeed. I did a track instruction day in a TT 225 and in the hands of the professional instructor I think a 944 would have a hard time keeping up, especially as it was a bit greasy. The TT has the (justifiable) reputation as a girly hairdresser car but that doesn't alter the fact that it is quick. With the ESP switched off the professional instructor was still able to re-arrange my intestines without invasive surgery.
 
Read Scott's post at the beginning of this thread ...
Not bad eh. Just goes to show that 1. BHP figures are no indication of how good a car really is, and 2. At the end of the day you can't beat a good old fashioned well engineered chassis.
The TT may have power but it's little more than a Golf (read 'shopping trolley') in a pretty dress. It's also based on a chassis that is designed to be FWD, so will be VERY compromised.


Oli.


 
Ian,

Sorry - I was writing my reply as you posted.

Still can't bring myself to like them tho'. My comments still stand ...


Oli.
 
I've driven the old TT on a circuit and it had superb traction out of the bends with the 4wd, good torque and acceleration, but it did want to understeer everywhere and whilst safe, it did feel very much like the car on which it was based, ie a fwd hatch.

Apparently the new version is much more of a driver's car.
 

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