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Ok you guys, talking about jaunts over to the Nurburgring has got me jealous. What's involved in going over there? How much time, money etc is involved?
Finally what's it like? I can imagine the nerves when you try it for the first time. I also imagine you would really have to keep your wits about you for faster and slower cars. Do they ensure that everyone follows the same signal system for overtaking?
 
General rule for newbies is not to try to follow someone experienced or you may well end up in the trees.
 
The best resource for those new to the 'ring (and those not so new!) is Ben Lovejoy's excellent site - www.nurburgring.org

There is no signal system for overtaking - you are supposed to follow the rule of the road (i.e. overtake on the left as you are in Germany), but not everyone will - especially the British bikers [8|], so yes you WILL need to spend more time looking in your mirrors than forwards until you know bettter where you are going.

It's great fun - and addictive, but you will need to be aware of what is around you - a passenger can help spot those bikes in your blind spot.
 
The above is pretty accurate. My take on it was that it is not as tight as I expected - it's like a Birtish A-road (or a New Zealand main road if you know that better) in terms of both track width and severity of corners (with a couple of notable exceptions). It has quite a large elevation change; I believe something like 800m between low and high points over the 22km or so length. The surface is quite good if not modenrn race-track smooth and it's surprisingly easy on brakes and tyres considering what it is. Those last two points may be subject to change if the driver knows it well and is fast - I'm not, but then you want to know about it from a novice standpoint.

It gets very slippery when it is wet and as personally I don't enjoy driving quickly in the wet at any time I found that especially scary. There is a huge amount of track to learn and quite a lot of technical sections to master which is what makes it so addictive, but also so dangerous. It's quite a long lap and I'm sure some people lose concentration before the end. Also scary is the mix of vehicles with not only bikes being driven by experienced and novice riders so with a vast speed differential, but the same thing in cars at the same time, plus the odd coach-load of tourists thrown in for fun, people who think they are Fangio and/or have an awesome car so they can go fast first time out, people who do have an awesome car and a pertified first time out ("Captain Slow" was a 993 GT2 the first day I was there) etc.

What spoils the fun is track closure (pretty much followed rain like clockwork when I was there, though it can happen in the dry) and having to watch the rear view mirror almost as much as the track ahead and sometimes having to be off-line to allow a bike, GT3 RS or a dedicated Ring tool Mk2 Golf GTI to pass. Hitting anything would obviously spoil your trip pretty badly on a more serious level.

Cost wise I'll assume you'd tack it on to a trip to the UK that I think you said you're making? I don't know where you'll cross to the continent, but the 'Ring is about 450-500km from Calais ferry port so you have fuel for that. B&B accommodation (sharing) was about 50 Euros each per night in Sabine's guest house (not her Mum's as it was full, but we went to her Mum's for breakfast). Laps are roughly 10 Euros each, but get cheaper if you buy more at once, plus they are 23km worth of high fuel consumption. That's it unless you break down or hit something. Recovery is 170 Euros I believe and you pay for any barrier you hit at 350 Euros a section (or maybe £350) plus any stoppage cause by your off at something like 1,500 Euros per hour.

If you want to do it in a hire car read the relevant section on Ben Lovejoy's site above - lots of hire companies don't like their cars on the 'Ring for some reason... You can also book a ride in the M5 'Ring Taxi for about £80 and you can hire track prepped cars or training courses like the 75 Experience (in Alfa 75s).

You'd enjoy it, but it's not worth a special trip from Sydney.
 
I went over completely on a whim this August. I was watching the DTM qualifying from the new circuit and it just seemed to good an excuse for a road trip in my new baby. So I booked up the Euro tunnel for that evening & after an overnight stop in Belgium rocked up to the circuit to watch the racing and then check out the ring that evening. It was a bit damp so thought better of it till the following day, but as there are viewing points around the circuit it was a good opportunity to get an idea of what I was letting myself in for. Saturdays/Sundays get busy, so I'd go for one of the week day sessions if you can. Do check the online diary though as the circuit is used for testing & is closed to the public for large chunks of the day. I got lucky the following day though, as the track was dry, open all day & pretty empty. Buy your ticket from the main booth (multiple laps are cheaper), check out the car park's auto exotica & then though the barriers into driving heaven. My couple of words of advice would be; If the bikes aren't indicating assume they haven't seen you, they also take some interesting lines in the corners so just be a bit wary. You'll come across everything from tourist coaches to Enzo's so make sure you're aware of the rules of the road. Don't even worry about lap times just keep an eye on your mirrors and look for warning flags & workers on the circuit. As It's such a long track you may get areas of localized showers so it can get a little slippy, also If your car is low slung or aero kitted the inside of the carousel can give it a good old scrape. Lastly if you've got a helmet take it with you, it's not compulsary but better to be safe than sorry imho . Accommodation is cheap & plentiful I found this little gem www.gasthaus-strohe.com which was 40 euros for B&B, I said good bye to about £500.00 all in for a long weekend including the DTM, but I can safely say it was some of the best days of my life. If you in the area for a couple of days check out the closed to manufactures testing sessions on the old circuit, lots of Porsches, BMW's, Mercs, Astons etc putting in the laps & pop into the museum at the new circuit it's worth a visit. For a comprehensive guide go to Ben's Lovejoy's website as previously mentioned & get organising you'll love it[:)]
 
Thanks guys. Great replies. It's such a pity we can't shrink our babys down into a suitcase and just fly over to some of the great tracks and roads of other countries to use our pride and joys for what they were meant for. You put so much time, effort, and money to get your car just right to be able to drive on only 2 circuits in Sydney, one of which is being closed in a few years for development. Boo-hiss!
 
Well actually during some Lunar eclipses parts of Australia are further away from Germany than the Moon.


No really it's true...[8|][8|][8|]
 
Sorry - Urban Myth alert [8|]

The average distance between the Earth and the Moon is 380,000 km, the closest the moon gets is 360,000km. The Earth has an average diameter of 13,000 km so there is no way that Australia can be further away from the moon than from Germany.

(these figures are rough one's from my days as an amateur astronomer [;)])

However, it is a 100% true fact that it is always worth a Ring trip from Sydney [8D] - no not the one's on Saturn
 
There's always someone who bites. Just cast the bait and wait...[:D][:D][:D]
Currently in New Zealand on holidays and as Fen can attest there are some amazing landscapes and roads here. Wish I could have packed the car as well. So much cool, clear, crisp air that could be forced through the old K26/8! It would make a fantastic place to do a driving tour with the right car. Lots of Subaru Liberties on the road here.
Still the car is not just sitting at home idle. Getting all the solid bushing/bearings + the new RacersEdge A-arms installed which should just about finish the suspension work. According to my mechanic, the car doesn't seem overly harsh so far. Should handle on rails now. Also getting a ding that has been in the car since the first week of ownership taken out which is pleasing as it's been an eyesore and reminded me of the #@%$hole who hit and ran while I was in the car! I was stuck behind cars and couldn't get out soon enough as he ran a red light and had no chance of making chase. Very upsetting at the time.
Anyway maybe able to put it on a boat one day and catch up with all you guys and do a jaunt over to the 'Ring...may as well dream.
 

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