Hacki
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Off topic of the forum, but found this interesting.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/formula_1/article5974376.ece
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/formula_1/article5974376.ece
The Times - Drivers´ ranking
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timarnold
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Hmmm [&:]
Had a quick look... definitely don't agree with them... Ayrton should be No1 and Prost shouldn't be in the top ten.
What makes a 'greatest driver'? Moss is listed 7th but never won a championship!
I'd put Fangio joint top with Ayrton. Fangio was awesome. I never saw him race (too young!) but watched plenty of video... and... in 1979 I went to a special race meeting held to raise money for the Gunnar Nilsson Cancer Foundation - The Gunnar Nilsson Memorial Trophy at Donington. The event included various racesincluding an F3 race, plus a lap record shoot out with several current F1 teams/drivers taking part (Alan Jones won that with a 1:01.37 lap, James Hunt was second), and Juan Manuel Fangio was to drive some demonstration laps in his old Mercedes W125 Silver Arrow, which by then was owned by historic racer Neil Corner, who held the lap record with it. My mate Sinclair and I watched from the Regate stand and expected a doddering old man to dawdle round slowly for a few laps (he was 70-something by then and hadn't driven a racing car for 27 years! Fangio came out of the pits and slowly around Redgate, then, as he came into Redgate at the start of the next lap he was flying, he put the big Merc into a perfectly controlled powerslide - everyone, even current F1 drivers, were 'gobsmacked', his car control was awesome. They put the stop watch on him and he broke Corner's lap record! They interviewed him after the run and asked how he could just get back in a car after so long and drive like that, and he said when he got in the car and smelled 'the benzine', the oil and the rubber, the 27 years disappeared and it all came back to him!
Had a quick look... definitely don't agree with them... Ayrton should be No1 and Prost shouldn't be in the top ten.
What makes a 'greatest driver'? Moss is listed 7th but never won a championship!
I'd put Fangio joint top with Ayrton. Fangio was awesome. I never saw him race (too young!) but watched plenty of video... and... in 1979 I went to a special race meeting held to raise money for the Gunnar Nilsson Cancer Foundation - The Gunnar Nilsson Memorial Trophy at Donington. The event included various racesincluding an F3 race, plus a lap record shoot out with several current F1 teams/drivers taking part (Alan Jones won that with a 1:01.37 lap, James Hunt was second), and Juan Manuel Fangio was to drive some demonstration laps in his old Mercedes W125 Silver Arrow, which by then was owned by historic racer Neil Corner, who held the lap record with it. My mate Sinclair and I watched from the Regate stand and expected a doddering old man to dawdle round slowly for a few laps (he was 70-something by then and hadn't driven a racing car for 27 years! Fangio came out of the pits and slowly around Redgate, then, as he came into Redgate at the start of the next lap he was flying, he put the big Merc into a perfectly controlled powerslide - everyone, even current F1 drivers, were 'gobsmacked', his car control was awesome. They put the stop watch on him and he broke Corner's lap record! They interviewed him after the run and asked how he could just get back in a car after so long and drive like that, and he said when he got in the car and smelled 'the benzine', the oil and the rubber, the 27 years disappeared and it all came back to him!
Done to provoke a reaction I guess. I think Senna, Schuey deserves the place, Prost too in the top 10, not sure about Mika? Also where is nuvali? Suprised he isnt higher.
The problem is that it is so hard to compare between eras. Schuey and Mika would both be dead if they drove like they did 30 years earlier. So how do you compare? Wouldnt you expect people like Stephan Bellof to be higher?
A definate pub conversation this one!
The problem is that it is so hard to compare between eras. Schuey and Mika would both be dead if they drove like they did 30 years earlier. So how do you compare? Wouldnt you expect people like Stephan Bellof to be higher?
A definate pub conversation this one!
Jim Clark and Jackie Stewart were both better racers and greater natural talents than Senna, who only gained championships in the best cars and thus does not deserve all the plaudits he gets. Look at the stats also, JC and JS were much nearer 1 win in every 3 Grand Prix (in an era when more cars were potential winners) than AS 1 in every 4 Grand Prix (in races where probably only 1 other car, his team mate, was able to win a Grand Prix - remember the boring seasons when only a McLaren could win!!!!!).
Damen
Damen
And unlike Senna and Schmacher neither JC or JYS would have dreamt of punting their competitors off the track
timarnold
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That's nonsense! I followed Stewart from 1970 to '73 when he retired, I was one of his biggest fans, he was brilliant. But Senna was better.To say he wasn't as great a natural talent as Stewart and Clark is ridiculous!
And another ridiculous omission from the top ten - Lauda! 14th??? WTF??? Lauda should be in the top three! I saw Lauda win an F2 race at Oulton in 1972 when he lapped every single other car in the race on a wet track that was more like a lake! Then let's not forget how he nearly got his head burned off at the Nurburgring in 1976 and six weeks later was back in an F1 car, racing! The following year he won his 2nd Championship! Then he retired suddenly in '79 and was out of racing for 2 seasons. Then he came out of retirement in '82 and was winning by the third race. In '84 he won his 3rd title!
This Kevin Eason bloke is taking through his 'exhaust pipe'!!! [>:]
I have a result sheet somewhere from the 1981 Formula Ford Festival Heats Qualifying where I am just one place behind Stefan Bellof having qualified 0.1s slower than him in my three-year old car! [
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