Time for a change

6271james · Jan 1, 2013

I am considering changing my 993 4S as I am sorry to say I am slightly bored of her after 6 years or so, although I say that whenever I drive or look at her she still puts a big smile on my face.

I have been fortunate to have owned several Porsches starting with my RHD crayford converted 914 as my first car aged 16, a 911 2.4S, 924 Carrera GT etc.

I am thinking of a 997 Turbo as something I can just jump in and drive and do some long journeys in. I have seen various examples for less than £50K with low miles and FPSH. I ask a) am I mad and b) what to ask for the old girl, Strasse have always looked after my Porsches and when they got a sniff I was thinking of selling they were straight on the phone. She has done 54K miles has a book full of stamps etc.

pse_SC · Jan 1, 2013

a) am I mad?

Yes[

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jdpef356 · Jan 1, 2013

I think mode of changing gear can effect pricing,is yours manual or Tip and what colour?

gpm993 · Jan 1, 2013

993 4S are manual only. Condition more important than colour as not many UK RHD manufactured .. believe approx 180-ish between 1996 - 98

jdpef356 · Jan 1, 2013

Totals quoted as follows :-

911 (993) CARRERA 4 S 06 - 92 97 - 52 98 - 37 TOTAL =181

Cater_Racer · Jan 1, 2013

I've been tempted to do the same, but then realised that Insurance RFL and servicing costs escalate quite alarmingly.

Then there's depreciation, my 993 hasn't lost a penny since I bought it 4 years ago.

I'm sure if I did sell within weeks I'd regret it, besides I've promised my son he will inherit the car, and so he will.

Gordon Attar · Jan 1, 2013

Looks Midnight Blue and Marble grey or possibly classic grey

Strasse probably offered £34 or £35k as they can easily sell it for £39995. you can get £38k quite easily privately, any more may take a bit more time.

Regarding 997 turbo, plenty 2006 models around £45k, 2007's below £50k and some 2008 models just over £50k but mainly around £55k.

If you love the 993 shape, style and experience and just want a bit more goooo......, then between £50 and £55k there are plenty of 993 Turbo's about and they wont suffer the £5k to £10k deprecation/year that the 997's are!!

Dylan1 · Jan 1, 2013

ORIGINAL: Gordon Attar

Looks Midnight Blue and Marble grey or possibly classic grey

Strasse probably offered £34 or £35k as they can easily sell it for £39995. you can get £38k quite easily privately, any more may take a bit more time.

Regarding 997 turbo, plenty 2006 models around £45k, 2007's below £50k and some 2008 models just over £50k but mainly around £55k.

If you love the 993 shape, style and experience and just want a bit more goooo......, then between £50 and £55k there are plenty of 993 Turbo's about and they wont suffer the £5k to £10k deprecation/year that the 997's are!!

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They will if you drive it a lot !!

colt · Jan 1, 2013

Gordons on the money value wise i should say! £36-39k
Christian........................

tallmat · Jan 1, 2013

ORIGINAL: Gordon Attar

If you love the 993 shape, style and experience and just want a bit more goooo......, then between £50 and £55k there are plenty of 993 Turbo's about and they wont suffer the £5k to £10k deprecation/year that the 997's are!!

Not sure what constitutes "plenty" but on PH there's 15 unmolested 993 turbos and 5 of these are at £60k plus. Finding good low mileage examples is getting harder, partly because as Gordon correctly notes, they're going up in value.

I've had both 996t and 997 and they're fab cars but markedly different to the 993. Between them none are notably superior, or inferior to their siblings but 993 definitely provides a more tactile driving experience. It's just special in a way the others ain't, even though it's older.

Gordon Attar · Jan 2, 2013

ORIGINAL: tallmat

ORIGINAL: Gordon Attar

If you love the 993 shape, style and experience and just want a bit more goooo......, then between £50 and £55k there are plenty of 993 Turbo's about and they wont suffer the £5k to £10k deprecation/year that the 997's are!!

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Not sure what constitutes "plenty" but on PH there's 15 unmolested 993 turbos and 5 of these are at £60k plus. Finding good low mileage examples is getting harder, partly because as Gordon correctly notes, they're going up in value.

I've had both 996t and 997 and they're fab cars but markedly different to the 993. Between them none are notably superior, or inferior to their siblings but 993 definitely provides a more tactile driving experience. It's just special in a way the others ain't, even though it's older.

There wasnt really that many 993TT's that sold last year so feel free to negotiate with the sellers, most of the ones on PH have been their quite a while including 3 of the 4 sub £50k dealer cars......

Gordon Attar · Jan 2, 2013

ORIGINAL: dyllan

ORIGINAL: Gordon Attar

Looks Midnight Blue and Marble grey or possibly classic grey

Strasse probably offered £34 or £35k as they can easily sell it for £39995. you can get £38k quite easily privately, any more may take a bit more time.

Regarding 997 turbo, plenty 2006 models around £45k, 2007's below £50k and some 2008 models just over £50k but mainly around £55k.

If you love the 993 shape, style and experience and just want a bit more goooo......, then between £50 and £55k there are plenty of 993 Turbo's about and they wont suffer the £5k to £10k deprecation/year that the 997's are!!

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They will if you drive it a lot !!

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I'm presuming similar usage to his current low mileage C4S, but shal we say c5k pa

tallmat · Jan 3, 2013

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There wasnt really that many 993TT's that sold last year so feel free to negotiate with the sellers, most of the ones on PH have been their quite a while including 3 of the 4 sub £50k dealer cars......

Agreed.

But then 2012 was a weak sales year for most exotica, both new and the used market, so I'm told.

I guess the point is that 5-6 years ago a decent 996t would be £40-£50k. Now there's plenty to choose from at not much more than £20k.

Back then a decent 993t would be around £35k-£38k. I looked at a few in 2006-2007. Now even though sales volume may be low, unless it's a forced sale, you'll need +/- £50k for a good low mileage car. Perhaps less for some, but that seems to be the generally agreed market line.

The 997t is now down to sub £50k for early cars, and assumng it'll follow same path as 996t, and with imminent arrival of 991t, further depreciation seems unavoidable.

6271james · Jan 6, 2013

Great advice thank you. I do love the 993 Turbo but I had read on some sales descriptions that £1,000's had been spent on the turbos etc. so shied away. Get your point re the 996T but can't imagine the 997T would dip that low but maybe time to buy when the 991T is announced. I will only do 3 to 5K per annum.

My quandary is whether to go mad and go for something old again pre 73, 914/6GT and maybe regret it as would find myself not wanting to use it or something far more modern - although a friend says the 997T is too good at what it does = sterile and only gets exciting at 120 plus so its performance is unusable in UK. I see the 993T as neither old or new if you get me. GT2? but would struggle to get this passed by the fun police and guess occasionally would benefit from 4 seats.

Anyone know when the 991T is due?

FLAT-SIXY · Jan 6, 2013

ORIGINAL: 6271james

Great advice thank you. I do love the 993 Turbo but I had read on some sales descriptions that £1,000's had been spent on the turbos etc. so shied away.

I wouldn't take any notice of what some of the buyers guides or classified ads say. They are often misleading. I've had my 993 turbo for 8 years now and nothing other than the usual suspects have needed maintaining, my turbos are still fine touch wood[8|]. But if you are after a more modern car for ergonomic reasons I can see why you would want to change. I myself keep thinking about 997 gt3's, but it would have to be a good non depreciating model ie an RS. And depreciation is one thing that my car is not doing.

dparslow · Jan 19, 2013

ORIGINAL: dongawoy

ORIGINAL: 6271james

Great advice thank you. I do love the 993 Turbo but I had read on some sales descriptions that £1,000's had been spent on the turbos etc. so shied away.

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I wouldn't take any notice of what some of the buyers guides or classified ads say. They are often misleading. I've had my 993 turbo for 8 years now and nothing other than the usual suspects have needed maintaining, my turbos are still fine touch wood[8|]. But if you are after a more modern car for ergonomic reasons I can see why you would want to change. I myself keep thinking about 997 gt3's, but it would have to be a good non depreciating model ie an RS. And depreciation is one thing that my car is not doing.

I can only echo this, I`ve also had my 993tt for 8 years and it has needed very little above servicing in that time. A full set of tyres, intercooler hoses and 3 resistors for various fans. I fitted 996tt oil feed non return valves to the turbos to cure the smokey exhaust on starting when stood for long periods.

There is a lot of hype about worn turbos on 993tt`s, but it`s not always the case as I found out when I investigated the smokey exhaust issue myself. If there is no lateral movement in the impeller spindles within the turbo they are not worn out!

I`ve also debated with myself as whether or not to change from the 993tt - 997tt, but the 997tt running costs are far higher, the insurance quote alone was 3 times the cost of the 993tt!!! 993tt depreciation has been zero over the last 8yrs I can see that not changing a great deal for well kept cars. There is just so much less to go wrong with a 993tt compared to a 997tt.

Above all it`s a thrill every time I drive it, I never get bored of it, it can still scare the life out of me now as it did 8 years ago and I like the fact it`s quite a rare car to see on the roads today.

pse_SC · Jan 20, 2013

Above all it`s a thrill every time I drive it, I never get bored of it, it can still scare the life out of me now as it did 8 years ago and I like the fact it`s quite a rare car to see on the roads today.

Lucky you - have fun[

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edelschmetterling · Mar 25, 2013

ORIGINAL: 6271james

look at her she still puts a big smile on my face.

The fact you are posting sounds as though you are in two minds. Selling, changing your mind later and not being to get you original car back would hurt. I know my service history, any other car could be repeating costs if not increase them for a lesser automobile.

Why don't you hire a 997, drive it for a week or two and then take the 993 out and see how you feel then. If the smile persists then you know the answer.

Gordon Attar · Mar 25, 2013

ORIGINAL: 6271james

Great advice thank you. I do love the 993 Turbo but I had read on some sales descriptions that £1,000's had been spent on the turbos etc. so shied away. Get your point re the 996T but can't imagine the 997T would dip that low but maybe time to buy when the 991T is announced. I will only do 3 to 5K per annum.

The only way you could spend thousands is repeatedly going up the upgrade route. Last time i checked the Turbos were c£800 each from OPC, you could get them refurbed for approx half of that. Upgrading to K24's were about 50% more. Its one of them urban legends about them disentigrating into the engine, yes it could happen but very rare!