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Has anyone ever heard of Total harnesses ,ive just bought a pair of 5 point ones and wondered are they any good,i think they were bought new in about 1992 so the FIA will be out of date but will be ok for what i want,they have the twist style release as well.
 
Total is actually Total Restraint Systems, which also go under a different name that's more well known. Can't think for the life in me what the other name is though!

Are they any good? I am told so and I also really hope so, because I've just got a pair of 4 points for my car! [:D]

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I have a set of 5point TRS belts in mine... the 3" crotch belt could do with being a bit more "comfy" but since I've got 2 kids already I wont worry about that too much!
 
Just done a search for TRS on the net and found out a bit more about them,one of them is a 4 point at the moment as the crotch strap is missing,so i will have a ring around to find one !!
 
I have a set of 5point TRS belts in mine... the 3" crotch belt could do with being a bit more "comfy" but since I've got 2 kids already I wont worry about that too much!

Having rolled my last hobby car I intend to install a harness. I drove Fens car but didnt ask where his connected to. I`ve seen harness clips you can use with standard seats and belts ie; you can easily unclip the harness for normal driving?

Lali, how have you fitted them? Harness bar? If not, where have you bolted to. I ask cos a very nice chap with a 968 had his bolted to two points in the boot floor. In the insulation there are two `cutouts` that face forward. His was bolted through these as he said that they were `clubsport` harness points. Only issue was that unless they were Titanium bolts they were only M8 size [:eek:][:eek:][:eek:][:eek:]

Mine has these `cutouts` as I`m sure most have as mine is nothing special. Other method is by harness GUIDE bar into rear seat belt points?
 
Mine have never been used pending a roll cage fitment to give a mount bar. Currently they are fitted using eye bolts to the original mounts with the shoulder straps picking up on the rear seatbelt mounts in the back seat area. The lap belt needs a threaded reinforcing plate attached to the side of the tunnel as the OE seatbelt is attached to the seat subframe on the inner side, similarly the crotch strap needs either a reinforced thread attached to the floor pan (as I will do; they aren't in at all yet) or a bar between the 2 front seat base mounts with a thread for the bolt in the middle.

The reason mine have never been used is that the angle the shoulder straps take to get to the eye bolts in the back seat is too steep and would cause spinal compression in a crash. I will go for a full cage with a harness bar and mount the shoulder straps to that, but the alternative is to leave them where they are but fit some sort of guide bar using the upper seatbely mounts on the B-pillar so the angle from the shoulders to the bar is close to horizontal, then the angle down to the anchor points doesn't matter, so long as the bar is strong enough not to bend or break in a crash.

Last thing to consider is that with the original Porsche seat the shoulder straps tend to fall off the shoulders. I don't know if there is a satisfactory solution to the problem other than replacing the seat with a bucket that has harness slots in it.

I won't be tracking my Mazda until it has a roll bar with harness bar installed. It had seats very similar to the Porsche ones, but they are in the garage now and the car is fitted with some carbon fibre Recaros that have the necessary slots.

edited to add: My harnesses (Sabelt 3" 4 points with quick release buckle and 2" crotch strap add-ons) came with clips on the ends of the straps to attach to the eye-bolts. They could be quite easily removed in a couple of minutes if necessary, though I just hange them over the seat out of the way. The only downside of that is that the buckle hits the seat shell if the car is flung around, making a banging noise.

Lastly 1992 is waaaaay old for harnesses. They have a life on them for a reason and if they are second hand who's to say they haven't been used for their true function (which makes them scrap)? Personally harnesses are something I'd only buy new.
 
I know the full history of the harnesses as they were bought from a good friend who bought them new and they were only use for about 6 rallys and never involved in an accident , so no worrys there !!!
 
ORIGINAL: random hero

Has anyone ever heard of Total harnesses ,ive just bought a pair of 5 point ones and wondered are they any good,i think they were bought new in about 1992 so the FIA will be out of date but will be ok for what i want,they have the twist style release as well.

There were Total harnesses in my Ultima when I first got it. They had a similar manufacturing date, so they had to go, as I was going to race the car.

My impression of them was that they were rather thin and the lack of padding didn't appeal to me. I think that even if they had looked nice and comfy, I'd have been inclined to put them in the bin anyway just because of their age. However, if you are confident of their history, then you should be ok using them.

As Fen says though, make sure that you mount them in accordance with the regulations. Otherwise they can cause serious injury in an accident.

James
 
I have the rear half cage with the harness mount on it, i agree about the age of the harnesses but they have probably had less use than most that are only a few years old.
 
i agree about the age of the harnesses but they have probably had less use than most that are only a few years old.

Just like cam belts they deteriorate with age as well as use.

I have the rear half cage with the harness mount on it

Whose? Piccies? Bolt in?
 
As long as they arent damaged then i dont have a problem using them,i mean you would'nt buy a 1992 968 and then replace all the seat belts and air bags because the could have deteriorated so i think the same goes for the harnesses !!! My cage is from the Roll centre ,its bolted in with 2 welded mounts.
 
i mean you would'nt buy a 1992 968 and then replace all the seat belts and air bags because the could have deteriorated

I agree entirely you wouldn't. However its probably true that you should but then again I have never replaced them on an ordinary car.
 
My impression of them was that they were rather thin and the lack of padding didn't appeal to me

3" shoulder and lap minimum and padding on the shoulders. Believe me I know (dont ask) [&:][&:][&:]

Ensure that they are always quick release. Try dropping out of buckle release in a hurry when you are upside down and covered in petrol [;)][;)][;)]
 

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