track the car history via ist chassis number?

[Guest]

Hi everyone, per my other post, i am (still) looking to buy a 964 rs. And found a few, but all of them have something raising questions marks.

I managed to track down one car i was looking at a few months ago and that could potentially be a good buy.

The car chassis number is WPO ZZZ 96 ZNS 49 1620

Does anyone know if this could be used to track the missing history of the car via the Porsche main factory computer.

Nowadays, each car has all its life recorded and filed when serviced with a main dealer.

Does someone have access to this system and could check this chassis number to see if anything bad happened to that car?

This car was sold by Roock Germany to its present UK owner in 2001. But the history before 2000 is missing and the factory log book was re-issued with an official Porsche letter stating that the car is original.

The car does genuinely look great and has very low miles which look genuine given the general condition.

Obviously i would get it inspected independently prior to purchase (any recommandation on who could help me there) => the car is in Norwich.

If anyone has any idea if the chassis number can help track a bit of the history of the car when it was in Germany, this would a great help.

Many thanks in advance.

Regards,
Eric.

 

[SimonExtreme]

Eric

I don't know if it can be checked through the Porsche system but if the car has been here since 2001, the history since its been here is far more important. In fact, if it has the right history in the UK and is inspected by somebody good, I wouldn't even be worried about its history pre 01. 5 years of servicing and reports from an RS specialist is, IMO, more than enough when combined with an inspection as you can learn a hell of a lot through inspection a leak test.

 

[clubsport]

Is this the polar silver car with the 3.8 lump in it????

 

[Guest]

Hi Simon, do you think Paul from gt classics would be the best person to inspect it?
I fear that the guy being in Norwich will not be keen to take the car too far for it to be inspected.
He mentionned he had it looked after by a local specialist called M-SPORT... anyone know them?

Otherwise who would be the closest specialist to look at it? (near Norwich that is).

Clubsport, yes it is the one with the 315 bhp 3.8 engine in it. You know this car?

 

[harry]

Would Peter Morgan go out to Norwich? I haven't used his services but somewhere in the forums he was being praised very highly. Found the thread http://www.porscheclubgbforum.com/fb.asp?m=216884&key=peter%2Cmorgan

Harry

 

[burrow01]

He would not go to Kent for me []

I think he only works inside the M25 or something

Pete

 

[SimonExtreme]

Without knowing anything about the car, I am not sure I would go for a 64RS with a 3.8 lump in unless it was very cheap or there was a good story. This is one time that the lack of early history might be a concern.

 

[Guest]

Hi Simon,

the 3.8 lump upgrade is very well documented: it was an upgrade performed by the previous owner with Roock of germany using genuine Porsche parts. The upgrade was made in 2000.

There are invoices detailing (very detailed!) this and if i am not mistaking it did cost 10' s of thousands of euros.

It is the story before the Roock treatment that is missing.

Roock fitted an awfull lot of new parts: new brakes, clutch..

The engine is clearly not leaking and the car has done 11k km since the upgrade in 2000. It now has 37k km. The history between now and then, is crystal clear.

I would have thought that Roock Sportsystem Gmbh of Leverkusen was very reputable in the Porsche world??

The Roock upgrade aimed to bring the engine EXACTLY to the RSR specs.

Regards,
Eric.

 

[harry]

As the previous poster mentioned, personally I think the recent history is more important. If the car hasn't been crashed, used genuine parts to produce the 3.8l engine, has been serviced properly etc, etc I would consider the car provided PPI is good.

Harry

 

[SimonExtreme]

Eric

The car sounds promising.

A leak test is done on the cylinders to see how worn the piston rings, valves etc are in good nick. Its not about oil leaks!

Even though the car seems have the right documented history for the engine and other work, there is a real question as to the worth of a car with a non original engine. Sure, the upgrade has been done by a reputable company, but it isn't an original, numbers matching 964RS any more. I personally think that there was a time that wouldn't have mattered but as the cars become more collectable, I wonder if a car with a 3.8 engine will be as desirable as one with an original lump in. I really don't know the answer so would hope others post their views.

Speak to paul, who I believe has been away for a week.

 

[clubsport]

Eric ...sent you an mail

 

[tat]

You can try Porsche themselves for the history. They would have a record of everything done within their network. They used to provide this type of information for free, but now they may charge for it, or even refuse to give out information because of data protection laws. As a minimum, they should provide the original build specification.

 

[jimmyslr]

M Sport is small, specialised outfit. They looked after my car under its previous owner and it appeared to be very well maintained. I think the main man is an ex-Porsche top mechanic/engineer. I have large numbers of bills from them and they did all sorts on my car.

 

[Yoda]

My 964 RS is ex-Germany and was serviced by OPCs for many years before being brought to the UK. I contacted the OPCs in the service book and they said they could not give out any details of the car, work done or the previous owners. I think they did have the records as one of the dealers searched for the car and pulled up the records and said all looked well but he wouldn't say anything more than that. He certainly wasn't prepared to send my a record of servicing work done.

I was lucky that I received names and contact numbers of the previous owners as part of the history file and they were more than happy to talk about the car and one sent on some paperwork he still had about its early history. If you can find out who the previous keepers were, try then and they should be able to give you honest feedback as they have nothing to lose now.

Regards

 

[Guest]

found out a bit on this car and i was apparently yellow and ended up on the roof at some point...

Keep looking then.