Trackday Tyres Axed!

[65 mat]

According to an article in this months EVO mag, as of 2012 trackday tyres (R888s, Pilot Cups etc...) will no longer be produced thanks to new European bullshit legislation! Apparently there will be new requirements introduced with regards to external noise and wet weather grip which track tyres will fail to achieve!
What next for the future? Looks like ''road-car'' tread patterns with a slightly softer compound...the extra performance and grip which we enjoy will be compromised!

What next will they ban?

 

[65 mat]

What next will they ban? ...wanking???!!![&:]
(above sounds like spanking!)

 

[rs phil]

disaster..trailor and full slicks[]

 

[Peter Empson]

[] That's really gutting.

I wonder what the figures are for wet weather accidents involving them? I'd have thought the average owner would have to be an enthusiast, so should know where the strengths and weaknesses lie. The noise issue is crazy as there are so few cars running them.

Lets hope they're still made for non EU countries and can be personally imported and used legally (although I dread to think of the potential cost!).

 

[tscaptain]

Do keep up chaps!
http://www.porscheclubgbforum.com/tm.asp?m=463630

 

[timarnold]

ORIGINAL: 65 mat

According to an article in this months EVO mag, as of 2012 trackday tyres (R888s, Pilot Cups etc...) will no longer be produced thanks to new European bullshit legislation! Apparently there will be new requirements introduced with regards to external noise and wet weather grip which track tyres will fail to achieve!

It's on their website too, Matt: http://www.evo.co.uk/news/evonews/236977/trackday_tyres_to_be_outlawed.html

ORIGINAL: 65 matWhat next for the future? Looks like ''road-car'' tread patterns with a slightly softer compound...the extra performance and grip which we enjoy will be compromised!

What next will they ban?

Well it will be cars next won't it! They'll introduce safety regulations that will effectively stop fast cars being manufactured - if everybody sits back and lets them.

We're heading towards George Orwell's worst nightmare if the moves of governments towards nanny/police state dictatorships aren't stopped. I often wonder at what point the revolution will come. It's about time! []

 

[ChrisW]

All it means is that cars that would have been driven to the track, will need to be trailered, and I'll need to learn to drive on slicks.

Yes I would like to think that I will take account so effectively of road conditions, that even when my semi slicks are working against me, I am taking account of this.

But we all know that there are a lot of numpties (it's never me [8|] !) out there, and sometimes the unpredictable happens ...

 

[Melv]

ORIGINAL: ChrisW

All it means is that cars that would have been driven to the track, will need to be trailered, and I'll need to learn to drive on slicks.

Which I've been doing for years..........or use road tyres...[]

 

[Neil Haughey]

Correct. I can't really see what all the fuss is about personally. Tyres that are poor in the wet by design are little better then tyres with worn out tread in the rain and we all understand that such tyres are illegal on the road. I predict that we may see all sorts of changes in the future, we all accept that the only place one can enjoy a high performance car is on the track. I can only see the track day market and the club motorsport scene getting bigger in the future (after the crunch of course), perhaps we will see cars being kept near circuits, as some do with the ring, more trailering service type companies, and trailer rental etc. etc. Personally as long as I have the time and money to enjoy my car on the track, and its legal, I don't really care much if I have to drive at 50 in a hydrogen car whilst on the public road.

 

[Laurence Gibbs]

fine sell the cars you have now and get a hydrogen car or the greenest car you can find and have it speed limited to 50 and try it for a year and see if your still ok about it then !
Personally i like choice and the ability to do so and get fed up with it being constantly erroded. Tyres are thin end of a flippin large wedge. At present all i need to get me to the track is the car. Next i'll need a car to tow the trailer and of course the trailer. Still that's got to be quiter, greener and safer right ? ? ?

 

[Neil Haughey]

No I am a realist and I understand which way the wind is blowing. You can't drive a car with less then 1.6 mm of tread legally on the road, yet we all know that such a tyre assuming the rubber is still good will be great on track. Its only an extension of the same logic. It may catch out track day tyres but it will also certainly catch the cheapo made in china ditch finders. You might think its your right to put whatever tyres you want on a car, but I bet you wouldn't feel that way if some chav with a beat up old car and 20 quid cheapo tyres ran your kids over, because his tyres didn't stop the car in the wet.

 

[Hacki]

I think track day tyres are potentially dangerous in standard traffic. So no problem for me in case they will be banned.

There are enough UHP tyres good for track day fun and good on the road also. If you want that extra grip of race tyres (Slick or semi slick), you´ll have to go a step further and trailer the car. It´s as easy as that.

You get what you pay for - so pay the extra cost for the extra grip level. Or keep on having fun on UHP tyres, it´s not that bad.

Rgds

Hacki

 

[Laurence Gibbs]

not much of a realist then. Why do people who want to make a point bring children into the equation? For starters the cheapo chinese tyres would have had to have passed tests to get a eu mark ! all tyres used within the eu are marked this way. As are "R" tyres or track day tyres. So what's your point ? All cheap budget tyres should be banned ? R tyres (toyo 888 dunlop d02G pilot sport cups all have e markings. There is no correlation between using tyres worn below legal limits and using currently legal R tyres, one is entirely legal the other is not. Driving a tyre that has worn below it legal limit on track could actually be quiet dangerous as the tyre was designed to work within a certain tread depth window, so you could overheat the tyre ! Even slicks have tread wear indicators !

 

[h_____]

A lot of club racing is manageable due to cheap cost of these tyres. My caterham costs £55 a corner for yoko A0048s, a fantastic road legal tyre, that is cheap for club motorsport due to the volume its produced in. Having raced on a cheap road tyres Avon CR322s (standard fittment to vauxhall vans), I can tell you they bloody shocking in the wet!! I think this is going the wrong way.

It will end up with either more track drivers using road rubber, or increased cost for something suitable for trackdays. Remember moving to slicks comes with downsides, higher cornering speeds means more wear on suspension and more oil surge. Maybe less of a problem on a dry sumped 911, but for the rest of car community, definately a consideration.

As for the trackday industry growing, I think interest is growing, but where is it growing too? Tracks are limited on activity, many are getting clamped down further. I just see it getting more expensive!! Get out there while you can!!

 

[Sundeep]

ORIGINAL: 65 mat

According to an article in this months EVO mag, as of 2012 trackday tyres (R888s, Pilot Cups etc...) will no longer be produced thanks to new European bullshit legislation! Apparently there will be new requirements introduced with regards to external noise and wet weather grip which track tyres will fail to achieve!
What next for the future? Looks like ''road-car'' tread patterns with a slightly softer compound...the extra performance and grip which we enjoy will be compromised!

What next will they ban?

NOT quite....

from 2012 on all NEW production cars

After market supply is not effected till 2015 at the earliest

 

[Neil Haughey]

Laurence I am not going to argue with you rant a way all you want

ORIGINAL: Laurence Gibbs

not much of a realist then. Why do people who want to make a point bring children into the equation? For starters the cheapo chinese tyres would have had to have passed  tests to get a eu mark ! all tyres used within the eu  are marked this way. As are "R" tyres or track day tyres. So what's your point ? All cheap budget tyres should be banned ?  R tyres (toyo 888 dunlop d02G pilot sport cups all have e markings. There is no correlation between using tyres worn below legal limits and using currently legal R tyres, one is entirely legal the other is not. Driving a tyre that has worn below it legal limit on track could actually be quiet dangerous as the tyre was designed to work within a certain tread depth window, so you could overheat the tyre !  Even slicks have tread wear indicators !