Turbo Face-Lift Caught On Test

[daro911]

Automedia / Porsche 911 Turbo Facelift Spied

Automedia / Porsche 911 Turbo Facelift Spied

Automedia / Porsche 911 Turbo Facelift Spied Porsche, ever conservative in their approach to 911 design, have already revealed the facelifted versions of its current 911. Missing still has been the highly respected Turbo, but we can already confirm its existence from these latest spy pictures taken on the Nurburgring Nordschleife. The 911 Turbo is thought to be headed for a North American International Auto Show 2009 (Detroit) unveiling, which will confirm a number of features.These include redesigned front and rear bumpers, a new headlight layout and new taillights. The new uprated turbo engine, probably displacing 3.8-litres, is said to make an extra 20hp (15kW) or so in order to set things completely straight between itself and its newest nemesis, the Nissan GT-R. Brakes are not expected to be changed because they are already in a very high class. Interior will get some form of enhancement as well to match the new look.

 

[garyw]

[8D] oooow red brakes.. I like.. garyw

 

[Andrew M Bonner]

Hubba, hubba........awesome ! I don't suppose they will be do'in it in R22 mint green?

 

[tj930]

Great! Looks more 'orange' than 'red' brakes to my eyes. And "3.8-litres" - not before time, some might say.

 

[fireblade]

Well the yellow calipers indicate PCCB but do these discs come in Red/Orange finish? Wasn't mentioned on the factory visit in September I have seen steel discs glow red with the heat but surely that isn't the case with PCCB? If it is a coloured disk how long is the finish going to last? Apart from the rear lights I really couldn't see any difference to the front or rear PU can anyone point out the difference? Looks great in black but too much cleaning for me!

 

[sivermee]

ORIGINAL: fireblade Well the yellow calipers indicate PCCB but do these discs come in Red/Orange finish? Wasn't mentioned on the factory visit in September I have seen steel discs glow red with the heat but surely that isn't the case with PCCB? If it is a coloured disk how long is the finish going to last? Apart from the rear lights I really couldn't see any difference to the front or rear PU can anyone point out the difference? Looks great in black but too much cleaning for me!

Carbon or carbon ceramic brakes do most certainly glow red when very hot - witness F1 cars (e.g. at Singapore, where the lack of ambient light gave a great view of glowing discs). Kind regards Steve

 

[sawood12]

I like the way they've blacked out the Porsche crest on the bonnet. I'm sure most of the onlookers were left scratching their heads wondering what car it was! It seems that Porsche stylists reputation for being lazy has been well and truly outdone by the Porsche development car disguise department.

 

[fireblade]

Thanks Steve, I didn't really notice at Singapore but have seen it during night racing at Le Mans 24 for many years albeit some time ago before CCB. What do you thing is the score with the above photos? Are they coloured discs or just very hot. I sort of like the idea of coloured discs!! Cheers

 

[sivermee]

ORIGINAL: fireblade Thanks Steve, I didn't really notice at Singapore but have seen it during night racing at Le Mans 24 for many years albeit some time ago before CCB. What do you thing is the score with the above photos? Are they coloured discs or just very hot. I sort of like the idea of coloured discs!! Cheers

Very hot. The car is being tested at the Nurburgring (the giveaway is all the writing on the circuit, plus the Tequipment roll cage that is definitely not standard).

 

[Rodney Naghar]

Those discs are definately glowing red hot and not coloured as they are projecting light.

 

[fireblade]

Thanks Guys, looks awesome to show so bright in daylight. Doubt mine will ever glow like that even on track days, I have to pay for my tyres!

 

[yan]

Is that an F1-style paddle I can spot on the steering wheel or just a glove? Probably just wishful thinking on my part...

 

[sawood12]

Unlike steel brakes the coefficient of friction of the carbon ceramic brakes actually increases as they get hot so F1 drivers actually have to back off brake pedal pressure as they brake to prevent locking up. So the hotter they are the better they work (to a limit of course, they can catch fire if they get too hot). Also because ceramic doesn't conduct heat, the heat is not transferred to the fluid, therefore no brake fade. Shame they cost £5k really.

 

[Paultje]

So is the 3.8ltr engine the first turbo not to be based on the 'GT1' style block? If so it will be interesting to follow its reliability.......

 

[tj930]

Yeah, but hope that now Porsche has matched the engine's CCs, the car absolutely goes 'seek and destroy' with those pesky Nissan GTRs []

 

[Alex L]

ORIGINAL: sawood12 Unlike steel brakes the coefficient of friction of the carbon ceramic brakes actually increases as they get hot so F1 drivers actually have to back off brake pedal pressure as they brake to prevent locking up. So the hotter they are the better they work (to a limit of course, they can catch fire if they get too hot). Also because ceramic doesn't conduct heat, the heat is not transferred to the fluid, therefore no brake fade. Shame they cost £5k really.

BEST option by a mile from the factory - well worth the cost (compare with how much ceramics cost on Ferraris!) The reason they are glowing is that the Turbo is trying to keep up with a GT-R on the track []

 

[Alex L]

ORIGINAL: Paultje So is the 3.8ltr engine the first turbo not to be based on the 'GT1' style block? If so it will be interesting to follow its reliability.......

997.2 Turbo = 500ps/660Nm in new DFI 3.6L engine Yes, no more GT1 Metzger engine []

 

[Rintoul]

Most disappointing if this marginal increase in power really is the case, and changing to a cheaper base engine that still has reliabilty issues. I cannot see this small increase being enough to stave off the Nissan as it actually betters the GT2. With only 700 available (therefore more exclusive) and at half the price (and 3 years warranty instead of only 2), it seems to have Porsche ownership looking more and more less favourable. The least I was hoping for was a development of the GT2 engine into the Turbo. ie an X50 kit plus a bit more. Porsche must be looking to invest in futures again next year rather than car development. (Was is 3.2b from investments and only1b from car manufacturing??)

 

[sawood12]

ORIGINAL: Rintoul and changing to a cheaper base engine that still has reliabilty issues.

Crickey, you can at least wait a bit until there is some evidence to back this claim up. How many of the new Gen 2 engines have suffered the same problems as the previous engine? How many have suffered any problems at all? It's off the cuff comments like this that gave the previous unit a worse rep than it deserved - the stats show it was ultimately a very reliable engine.

 

[yan]

what "stats" are you referring to?