Turbo front brakes

[DavidL]

What are we using? I can find Brembo and Sebro as well as OEM from Design 911 at double+ the price.
Sebro any good?

 

[blade7]

I've never been thrilled with the standard 928 brakes, despite replacing the discs and using Textar pads. The last time I looked, there didn't appear to be any plate lift, but they've always felt a bit wooden. I've seen vendors asking silly money for the adapters and centre rings, required to run the cheaper, bigger late discs and calipers too.

 

[scam75]

Standard discs (ECP Pagid, cheap) and Textar pads is the best combo I've found (performance and value for money). They do feel a bit "old school" but work pretty good. Under no circumstances buy ECP Pagid, cheap, pads. Unless you like to hear very disturbed, burning pigs...................

 

[blade7]

The high volume of the squealing right down to standstill, certainly got the attention of shoppers in the local High Street [].

 

[DavidL]

Standard discs (ECP Pagid, cheap) and Textar pads is the best combo I've found (performance and value for money). They do feel a bit "old school" but work pretty good. Under no circumstances buy ECP Pagid, cheap, pads. Unless you like to hear very disturbed, burning pigs...................

Thanks, sounds like a plan

 

[Eldavo]

Standard Discs and Mintex M1144 pads here

 

[blade7]

Do standard 250 bhp brakes pull up from 150+ without fading? I reckon the brakes on my daily Cupra R would, but the 370mm discs are £600 a pair, and they only last for a couple of sets of pads. 944 turbos seem a bit under braked compared to modern stuff.

 

[Dan944t]

Do standard 250 bhp brakes pull up from 150+ without fading? I reckon the brakes on my daily Cupra R would, but the 370mm discs are £600 a pair, and they only last for a couple of sets of pads. 944 turbos seem a bit under braked compared to modern stuff.

i have been thinking exactly the same lately !

going a bit faster now i used to feel my brakes were pretty good before after being overhalled and new plates ect ,… but the other week i thought to myself S&&T - i may have to invest in some Willwoods or something !

for the record ,.. since i changed to real Pagid disc and pads from Frazerpart instead of the crap fakes Euros sold me once ,… brakes were deff 30% better ,…

annoyingly they are vertually new but sat for 4 years and have started to squeal now when braking slow to stop [8|] one of my pet hates that !

 

[scam75]

Do standard 250 bhp brakes pull up from 150+ without fading? I reckon the brakes on my daily Cupra R would, but the 370mm discs are £600 a pair, and they only last for a couple of sets of pads. 944 turbos seem a bit under braked compared to modern stuff.

i have been thinking exactly the same lately !

going a bit faster now i used to feel my brakes were pretty good before after being overhalled and new plates ect ,… but the other week i thought to myself S&&T - i may have to invest in some Willwoods or something !

for the record ,.. since i changed to real Pagid disc and pads from Frazerpart instead of the crap fakes Euros sold me once ,… brakes were deff 30% better ,…

annoyingly they are vertually new but sat for 4 years and have started to squeal now when braking slow to stop [8|] one of my pet hates that !

Textar front pads don't squeal. Pagid do, regardless of who sold you them in my experience Dan. I spent years mucking about with the front disc and pad set-up before I finally removed squealing from my life with the Textar pad/Pagid disc combo. I think I have the original shims in place as well which helps.

Stuart

 

[Dan944t]

Do standard 250 bhp brakes pull up from 150+ without fading? I reckon the brakes on my daily Cupra R would, but the 370mm discs are £600 a pair, and they only last for a couple of sets of pads. 944 turbos seem a bit under braked compared to modern stuff.

i have been thinking exactly the same lately !

going a bit faster now i used to feel my brakes were pretty good before after being overhalled and new plates ect ,… but the other week i thought to myself S&&T - i may have to invest in some Willwoods or something !

for the record ,.. since i changed to real Pagid disc and pads from Frazerpart instead of the crap fakes Euros sold me once ,… brakes were deff 30% better ,…

annoyingly they are vertually new but sat for 4 years and have started to squeal now when braking slow to stop [8|] one of my pet hates that !

Textar front pads don't squeal. Pagid do, regardless of who sold you them in my experience Dan. I spent years mucking about with the front disc and pad set-up before I finally removed squealing from my life with the Textar pad/Pagid disc combo. I think I have the original shims in place as well which helps.

Stuart

cheers Stuart ,.. hope your well

i will deff give them a try as all my set up is annoyingly new so for the pads to squeal frustrates me as it all mounts up in cost .

i remember trying the red stuff pads years back which were really good but couldn’t bear the poxy brake dust on the wheels all the time and even the rear bumper ..

will look into the textar pads never seen or used them before

 

[blade7]

Years ago owners were fitting the bigger 993 TT discs and calipers to modified 944 turbos. And as I get older and more risk adverse, I reckon the standard brakes aren't up to anything with more than 300 bhp. Turbotim and sgl1996 both fitted much bigger brakes, and I reckon that's a sensible thing to do.

 

[Eldavo]

Mine seem fine on road and track, indeed Rich Harman does 40 minute races with stock M030 brake callipers with adequate cooling and appropriate pad choice and he’s about 380bhp IIRC.

I wonder how many callipers are in desperate need of a refurb and aren‘t working at anything like their capacity?

 

[scam75]

I've got 993 turbo calipers on the front of mine, radial mount, I'm not sure if they were front or rear on the 993. Had to machine the collars down a touch so they fitted on to the M030 set-up. By doing this they were a straight fit and still use the M030 pads and discs. Paid about £200 for the pair many years ago. Same size pistons as my original calipers as the OEM shims fit. They only clear my 16" CS rims by a couple of mm, and as a consequence you need to balance the wheel slightly more inboard or the weights foul the calipers, they balance up fine doing this though.

Edit to add: I seem to recall we also had to move the U brake pipes to the other ends of the calipers due to orientation.

Stuart

 

[blade7]

From what I've read, the radial MO30 caliper mounting method is better. There's only 0.010" clearance between the raised Porsche script on the front calipers, and the inside of my Gemballa wheels. So refurbed calipers and expensive standard size discs could be the answer.

 

[Dan944t]

ive just purchased some front Textar pads so we’ll see if i can feel any difference and mostly the squeal goes!

it’s not that they don’t brake very well as they really do it’s just wondering if there’s superior stopping power callipers to be had for not fortunes ,… or if not just be good to know how much it will take to get them one day ..

i can only go on my karting days in that i hardly ever used my brakes on track but on road if a totally different story

i would say my brakes on the 944 turbo are slightly better then my 986

 

[Eldavo]

Stomp on the anchors hard from 60MPH and you’ll be surprised how good they are, then try it at 100 and you’ll still be impressed.

You may realise how rubbish the ABS is though (if you have it), I’m intending on replacing mine with an early 996 unit.

 

[Dan944t]

Stomp on the anchors hard from 60MPH and you’ll be surprised how good they are, then try it at 100 and you’ll still be impressed.

You may realise how rubbish the ABS is though (if you have it), I’m intending on replacing mine with an early 996 unit.

ok your selling it to me []

will try that later tonight

drove the car more this month than i have in 13 years!

 

[scam75]

My ABS is always eager to come in to play on wet surfaces with any sharp braking, it definitely works, just not that great as you say!

 

[Dan944t]

Stomp on the anchors hard from 60MPH and you’ll be surprised how good they are, then try it at 100 and you’ll still be impressed.

You may realise how rubbish the ABS is though (if you have it), I’m intending on replacing mine with an early 996 unit.

Right David ,…. i took your advice and gave them the benefit of the doubt and took the car to the responsable speeds you suggested and STOMPT on the brakes , and i have to say …. your absolutely right! there bloody awsome! i have grown a new love for them,… i’ve never really stopped on them like that before as you think there gonna lock up if you do.

they bit down and stopped me pretty bloody quickly and no lock up at all ! i’m very impressed

they deffinately wasn’t a touch on this before they were completely refurbed before the engine build and that did make the world of difference when i tried them ,…. i no longer feel i need better for now i’m well chuffed with these ,….

m it’s been nearly 6 years now since i’ve pushed the car like i am now so i am now finding everything is lossening up the more i drive it ,… been going for a night drive when kids are in bed every night for the last week and half

Loving it

 

[blade7]

Unexpectedly had to stomp on my brakes going a lot faster than 100 once. Don't remember if the Textar pads were fitted then, but the brake fade was very unsettling [].