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Unauthorised Repair / Parts fitted

944 man

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This is a C&P of a post that Ive made on Pistonheads. Id be interested in peoples opinions/experiences here too.

"I'll tell chapter and verse, because I think that everything will be clearer, the more information that you have.

I took a car for MOT at a garage, where I had small confrontation with the tester. He tried to sit in the car without putting a cover on the seat: his overalls were dirty and the car is extremely clean. The car isnt valuable, but its a very clean 1990 944 and the trim is spotless, whichs unusual, so I wanted to keep it that way. He put a cover on the seat but I got a number of dirty looks as he got ready to test the car. He went out of his way to find anything wrong that he could, resorting to hacking at the inner sills with the handle of the all-metal MOT test hammer, which he saw me watch him do (after which he got a little friendlier and invited me down to see 'the problem'). He also spent a couple of minutes scraping the hard flexi to caliper pipes on the rear of the car. He scraped off the plastic coating but the pipes, as well as the rear discs, were left as advisories. Ive seen scores of MOTs performed and Ive never seen anything like this: even the seatbelts were inspected for over five minutes! It is this which makes me sure that the test was as thorough as it possibly could be.

You can imagine that I wasnt impressed by the damage caused to the inner sills and the garage that I contacted suggested that I complain to VOSA (about the sills). I decided against this as I couldnt see what Id get out of it. The car went in to the garage for repairs on Wednesday. They had quoted £40 for the welding and £30 to fit four new Goodridge hoses: I also agreed to an MOT test at the time.

This is where it starts going wrong. They MOTd the vehicle first and when I called in at the end of the day (the car was dropped off at 9am) they had a whole new list of failures, but no other work had been done. I agreed only that they should perform the two repairs originally quoted for. I was told that the car would be repaired on Thursday and that Id be called when it was done.

Yesterday morning a friend called me to tell me that hed seen my Red 944 being driven on a local road by a mechanic from the garage and another person. "Not to worry" I said, "theyve had it since yesterday and theyll probably need a road test after fitting the brake hoses".

Fast forward to this evening and I receive a call from said mechanic, the proprietors son, who tells me that the car is ready to collect and that I owe £244. When I question the amount he told me that a caliper broke when they removed the original hose and that they they had ordered a new one last night, with the work being completed today. I asked why I wasnt called and he mumbled that 'he thought they had'. Not so, not on any of the numbers they have for me. When I pointed out that I hadnt authorised the repair and that I had a pair of new Porsche ATE calipers in my garage he became evasive.

To cap it all, beyond the dubious MOT failures, the joyride and the unauthorised work, theres a very noticable dent (like an air rifle pellet mark) on the rear quarter, which wasnt there when I waxed the car two days before and it hadnt left the garage since.

To summarise and for anyone who didnt want to trawl through all of the above: theyve been caught driving the car and theyve fitted new parts without my authorisation, that I do not need and the body works been damaged whilst in their care. The garage in question is a small service/MOT/MOT repair garage in a village in West Derbyshire.

Ive a reasonable understanding of the law, but its hard to pay 'under protest' when they dont have a copy of the invoice to endorse. Id be very interested to hear peoples knowledgeable opinions or of their experiences of similar circumstances."


Simon
 
I've heard of this before.

Saying that, I'm pretty disgusted with my local MOT as of recent. They normally are pretty decent with me, but on my sister's Mondeo they changed the brake pads without telling me (they seemed fine before they went in with plenty of meat on them) and an oil change I didn't ask for (although I'm having my doubts on the oil being changed).

How much for all this? £211.

Saying that they did fit the V6 into my dad's Mondeo (old one had receeded seats and pulled the seats into the head) which from what I understand is a ballache to work on. If it was going to be that much trouble they should have said in the first place if that's why they are charging more on the sister's car.


 
What a bunch of c***s. Well if it was me I would refuese to pay and remove all of the parts they fitted and deposit them on their doorstep!!! I would have considered having them taken out lol!!! Please nobody call me i don't know any people.
 
I've long maintained you need to find a mechanic you can trust like a doctor,
and stick with him!

Unfortunately, as regards labour, I'd say you're boned.
It's gonna come down to him versus you, and if it goes to court with the
solicitor prices you'd be as well off having paid him in the first instance.

I would contend the new part quite vehemently however - that was not on,
under any circumstances.

And I'd bring up the dent also - but I have a strong feeling that dipsh#t is gonna
claim it was like that going in too (most likely already has!)

It's a crying shame that an indy garage is acting out in this manner - this is the
sort of crap we get all the time with the main dealers over here,
I have one garage that I use with my cars and all my family use the same guys.
They never do anything without asking, and they will always tell you if there's an issue.

I'd like to say he'll get his, but to be honest, most people don't have a clue about
cars and probably think he's great.

 
Labour isnt the issue, its the part. There wont be any solicitors though as itll be the small claims track in the county court. How exactly do you break an iron ATE caliper though?

Its a local garage, as opposed to an indie btw.
 
First thoughts - I agree with Rob! (and know a few "people"!)

Second thoughts - try talking to the boss, they must provide an invoice to you and keep one for their records - VAT man would be very interested in knowing their bookkeeping habits otherwise. If they still won't let you endorse both copies of the invoice, (I'm assuming the boss will be the one your dealing with), write to them Recorded Delivery (or whatever the latest version of it is), stating your case, factually, and what you propose as reccompence.

I wouldn't put in anything about the initial Mot except, the noted failure points. Make a point of the fact they didnot get approval for anything more. Also be as brief as possible - almost bullet point style.

Quick professional looking response should get their attention.

I've no legal knowledge but a bit of experience.

Hope that helps and good luck

Mike







 
I think some garages see an old car and dollar signs appear in their eyes. I avoid all this by tryiong to do all of my work myself. At least I only have me to blame then!!
 
Simon, I think I know the garage you mean. I used to take my car there for the odd thing when a different mechanic worked there (Pete) and I would have trusted him with the car any day and he always performed excellent and honest work on the car. When the garage came under new management Pete left and I really didn't take to the other guys who were working there. Once I took the car in during a lunch break for a look-see under the car at the fuel lines and I observed the way another car they were working on was being treated. The guy who dealt with me was nice as pie to my face and then tried to entice me to bring the car to him for all future servicing and repair work claiming that they were all Porsche trained mechanics (that old chestnut!!). I replied politely that i'd consider it and have never been back since. Seems like my instincts were right! Anyway, sorry to hear about your experience. Unfortunately as much as it annoys you there is probably very little you can do - though by comparing the two findings from the different MOT stations might warrant an audit by VOSPA.

As you know I used Zentrum for all my servicing and work - not the cheapest, but not rediculously expensive, very trustworthy, really knows his onions, but is a real PITA to get to, but thankfully the car was reliable so an annual trip for servicing was all that was needed most years! I also used a local garage in Derby for MOT's and all the work on the Focus. He's not a Porsche specialist, but for standard bread and butter mech work that doesn't require specialist Porsche knowledge and experience he's fine and i've found him to be very honest. I've recommended him to several people since i've been using him and they've all remained loyal to him for years and i've not hear a bad word. Let me know if you want his details.
 
If things worsen and look like solicitors might be a good option/sounding board then let me know. My dad's a solicitor (and likes his cars) so will definitely know someone to help or just provide a bit of advice.
 
Scott, theyre near Matlock and its a father and son only business. There was another fitter but he left because he wanted to batter Jr., which I can relate to!

Offer of help appreciated. Im almost certainly going to pay under protest and then take it from there. I think that a covert audio recording will be my best bet.
 
Personally, I'm a bit of a coward. [:eek:]

I had a situation where we were royally ripped-off, not over a car but by some very convincing gentlemen who weren't as experienced with driveway technology as they had led us to believe. As they revised their estimate, by some margin, they explained to me that they knew where I lived. It was pointed out that they could drive past and throw a brick at my windows, or decorate my cars with a Fairy Liquid bottle full of paint stripper. Up to me to prove it, and bear the costs.

I think, if they are that dishonest, you won't be gaining anything by fighting it. If it's a few hundred then write it off, learn to live with the sick feeling in your stomach, and become best mates with another MOT station. I've only once gone down the small-claims route, it was very straightforward to do it online and I got my money. That was against a proper company, though, not a bunch of conmen with access to large tools.
 
I see your point Paul. Im large enough for them to think twice, but we will see. Im starting to suspect that Jr. is trying to take me for a fool. I hadnt really questioned the calipers failure initially, but now Im starting to wonder how a tapped hole in cast iron can actually .break'... Theyve kept the hoses which Id instructed, so theyll provide a clue and Im wondering how they have obtained a 944 caliper with a damaged core part. Im obviously going to recognise a remanufactured part and if it isnt gold or silver then I suspect that theyre going to be more worried about me than I am about them.
 
I have found that a letter of complaint copied to the local Trading Standards department can result in a coming to senses for some traders. Well worth a punt I'd say and at least you'll feel you've tried to get justice rather than walking away (which it sounds like you aren't going to do anyway).
 
i think you'll need to pay under protest to get the car back (take a letter with you when you go and collect the car) and then consider what you can claim back through the small claims track of the country court.
 
MOT testers are not allowed to do any repairs whilst conducting the MOT. In fact AFAIK they aren't allowed to use any tools on the vehicle to carry out inspections apart from lights and possibly pry-bars, the old days of hitting the cills with hammers and screwdrivers are long since gone. Scraping brake pipes is also not allowed. Any mechanic worth his salt would use a seat cover and carpet cover.
The garage is not allowed to impound your vehicle either.

Cheers,
 
When I drove past early this morning my untaxed car was parked on the road: so I removed it. As a repairers lein is no longer a possible bargaining tool I suspect that a more acceptable settlement will be proposed.

Im visiting VOSA on Monday, so I will have a better idea what options are open to me after then. Before I decide how to procede I need to know exactly what is permissable. When I do know I will consider taking action against the first MOT test station too.
 
Err daft question I assume they know you have the car back?

If not think of the fun you could have.....

And if they hiding may be an idea
 

ORIGINAL: pauly

The council run test stations are supposedly the most impartial.

I have used the council for all of my MOTs on the 944 on they are great. It feels a bit odd parking it up next to the bin waggons for a check out.
 

ORIGINAL: 944 man

When I drove past early this morning my untaxed car was parked on the road: so I removed it.


Excellent! I too would be sorely tempted to deny all knowledge but in the long run I think this may not be the best course of action. The boot is well and truly on the other foot now though!
 

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