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Used Cayman vs GT86 vs 370Z

spyderman

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Chris Harris hooning about in Wales comparing the above. A shame IMHO that he didn't pick a more standard Cayman because if you're going to buy a used one, you're highly unlikely to find all those mods on it. The comparison was about purity of driving experience more than anything else, so including a tweaked car was a bad choice I think.

http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default.asp?storyId=26178
 
Would also have been fairer to use a 2.7 Cayman, which Harris is known to like, but I suppose it comes down to what is available. Good vid tho. I've penned a few words on the subject myself, due in next months Porsche Post ... preview here http://www.arthurlea.com/Stories/BRZ/index.htm [;)]
 
ORIGINAL: John H Would also have been fairer to use a 2.7 Cayman, which Harris is known to like, but I suppose it comes down to what is available. Good vid tho. I've penned a few words on the subject myself, due in next months Porsche Post ... preview here http://www.arthurlea.com/Stories/BRZ/index.htm [;)]
Interesting read. Thanks. This is exactly the type of article i'd be looking for more of in Porsche Post.
 
Good article! As an ex-Subaru Impreza owner now in a Cayman I was curious about the new BRZ.... this article makes me want to try a test drive [;)]
 
ORIGINAL: John H Would also have been fairer to use a 2.7 Cayman, which Harris is known to like, but I suppose it comes down to what is available. Good vid tho. I've penned a few words on the subject myself, due in next months Porsche Post ... preview here http://www.arthurlea.com/Stories/BRZ/index.htm [;)]
Great write up there!! I'm currently in the position of finding & buying a 2nd hand Cayman S and my budget is circa £25k......and this write up has made me think, maybe I should pop down to my local Toyota / Subaru dealer and have a nose!
 
ORIGINAL: smiffy555 I'm currently in the position of finding & buying a 2nd hand Cayman S and my budget is circa £25k......and this write up has made me think, maybe I should pop down to my local Toyota / Subaru dealer and have a nose!
Got to be worth a test drive - but my guess is you'd find it under-powered.
 
ORIGINAL: spyderman
ORIGINAL: smiffy555 I'm currently in the position of finding & buying a 2nd hand Cayman S and my budget is circa £25k......and this write up has made me think, maybe I should pop down to my local Toyota / Subaru dealer and have a nose!
Got to be worth a test drive - but my guess is you'd find it under-powered.
Hmmmm, me thinks you might be right......and at the end of the day, it'll still only be a Toyota / Subaru! [;)]
 
ORIGINAL: spyderman Got to be worth a test drive - but my guess is you'd find it under-powered.
Only because we have all gotten used to cars that are massively over-powered for todays road conditions, and that really was the crux of my argument. I would contend there is no skill in driving something like an Audi RS6 on the road, and therefore little pleasure, and that anyone who claims to be able to extract 100% of what a GT3 RS offers on the public road is either a liar or a lunatic. The delight of the Toyubaru is precisely that is NOT overpowered, you have to go looking for the power, and use some real driving skill to get the best from it, and of of this at less than jet fighter speeds, which will get you banged up if caught these days. Enjoy the drive, not the numbers. For the record I have now driven several of the Toyota versions, which have slightly different spring rates, and if anything they are even better on the road, whereas the Scooby is slightly more track focussed, but we are talking shades of difference here. I really like both the Subaru and the Toyota, and would happily add one to my fleet if cash allowed, but would I swap my Cayman for one? ... No. All of them are great to drive, but the Porsche ultimatley has a certain something that even the best mass produced Japanese car doesn't have.
 
ORIGINAL: John H
ORIGINAL: spyderman Got to be worth a test drive - but my guess is you'd find it under-powered.
Only because we have all gotten used to cars that are massively over-powered for todays road conditions, and that really was the crux of my argument. I would contend there is no skill in driving something like an Audi RS6 on the road, and therefore little pleasure, and that anyone who claims to be able to extract 100% of what a GT3 RS offers on the public road is either a liar or a lunatic. The delight of the Toyubaru is precisely that is NOT overpowered, you have to go looking for the power, and use some real driving skill to get the best from it, and of of this at less than jet fighter speeds, which will get you banged up if caught these days. Enjoy the drive, not the numbers. For the record I have now driven several of the Toyota versions, which have slightly different spring rates, and if anything they are even better on the road, whereas the Scooby is slightly more track focussed, but we are talking shades of difference here. I really like both the Subaru and the Toyota, and would happily add one to my fleet if cash allowed, but would I swap my Cayman for one? ... No. All of them are great to drive, but the Porsche ultimatley has a certain something that even the best mass produced Japanese car doesn't have.
And there lies the problem.....and Chris Harris also voiced it, if you had 25k where would you put your money - mine would go on the Porsche. Why? Because it will reward you not only in the driving of it, but when you look at it, touch it, sit in it.....because it is at the end of the day a Porsche!
 
I've had a test drive in the Toyota and it was a hoot - a real pleasure to drive, especially on the nice B-road I used. Yes it is underpowered compared with the Cayman (and many other cars) and you have to use the gears a lot but that's part of the fun - which generally occurs at licence saving speeds. It's delicate, comfortable, roomy and very well equipped. Two things put me off it for the time being. Firstly the (comparatively) low rent quality of the materials used in the cockpit. After spending the last six years in Porsches would I really want to spend 20k miles a year in it? Secondly on the Toyota stand at Goodwood was a 'concept' version, looking remarkably ready to go and packing a twin-turbo 300bhp lump. I'm waiting for the concept to come to fruition and then sod the cockpit materials.
 
ORIGINAL: John H Would also have been fairer to use a 2.7 Cayman, which Harris is known to like, but I suppose it comes down to what is available. Good vid tho. I've penned a few words on the subject myself, due in next months Porsche Post ... preview here http://www.arthurlea.com/Stories/BRZ/index.htm [;)]
Read your article again now that it's in Porsche Post[:)] A good comparison. The Toyota GT-86 is supposed to drive differently to the BRZ. Would be good if you could give them both a measure against the Cayman[;)]
 

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