Valuation Opinion please

IanHighfield · Apr 6, 2006

I have been eyeing an RS for some time now (purchase plan is being considered as part of my company car opt out strategy - not as a daily driver I hasten to state), and came across this one on pistonheads http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/71143.htm

Any opinions on the difference in value the 18" wheels make over the 17" magnesium ones ?

Any opinions on future sale issues over the colour change - personally I really like the dark blue (witness colour of my current 3.2).

No problems dealing with the vendor, but thought I would ask for opinion here first.

jason · Apr 6, 2006

add 2.5k for the non-original wheels and 3-4k for the non-original colour and you get why it is the price it is.

Was up for sale on pheads for a looooong time before Keith bought it and he's had it up for quite a while although has reduced the price

Don't think its got much service history if I remember rightly which combined with the colour change will put off normal RS buyers I guess?

If you are looking for a 'keeper' then its definately worth a look, if resale concerns you now its probably not right....

Get it inspected whatever.

At least Keith is a genuine guy.

Good luck
Jason

TISPKJ · Apr 6, 2006

Ian, I know nothing of this car but the add says it all an RS for C2 money.

Also dissagree on the comment above on the wheels, talk to Lee Fulford on those split rims they are as rare as anything and were an £££££ option at the factory

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jason · Apr 6, 2006

ORIGINAL: tispkj

Also dissagree on the comment above on the wheels, talk to Lee Fulford on those split rims they are as rare as anything and were an £££££ option at the factory

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True - but ask how many 64RS owners would have them or the original mags and most will say the mags which are even rarer and will cost you ££££££££££££

TISPKJ · Apr 7, 2006

Jason, you have been spending to much time with Dessie talking his own book.

He convinced lee that he needed a set of "original" mags instead of the split rims which of course he obediently went out and bought at silly money, only to be told later that the split rims were an option from new and ultra desirable and rare, they are not the same as the old turbo splits apparently.

It's past his bedtime now so cant call him, but will get him to chuck in his tuppance worth in the morning [

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Andy Tims · Apr 7, 2006

Looks like plenty of car for the money.

Give it a test drive & if the 18" wheels have not completely screwed up the (somewhat harsh on standard wheels) ride you could get a bargain.

jason · Apr 7, 2006

ORIGINAL: tispkj

Jason, you have been spending to much time with Dessie talking his own book.

He convinced lee that he needed a set of "original" mags instead of the split rims which of course he obediently went out and bought at silly money, only to be told later that the split rims were an option from new and ultra desirable and rare, they are not the same as the old turbo splits apparently.

It's past his bedtime now so cant call him, but will get him to chuck in his tuppance worth in the morning []

Paul I know all about the split rims but doesn't change my point....and I've never met Dessie[

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lee fulford · Apr 7, 2006

Yes indeedy.....Genuine Speedline splitties made specifically for the 64RS are far far rarer than those old Mag things and looks the nuts IMHO.

Question is are the ones in question correct?

I find the ride much smoother with the Spitties compared with the mags which are fitted with MSP Cups and have very stiff sidewalls. Track day use though no hesitation but to fit the mags with the cup sports.

I would go for it. I wish I had the money cos I'd be racing you all the way up there. The car is stonking value and the colour is spot on.

Buy the car and sell me the wheels if your that bothered.

sambaman · Apr 7, 2006

Well a man could not ask for better feedback on a car ...thanks a lot guys !!!!! keith

lee fulford · Apr 7, 2006

Keith...You don't know how close I was to calling you last week on this car.

The war department would have a freddie[&:]

Pity you're based in another country.

sambaman · Apr 7, 2006

another country ,......LOL

Gordon Attar · Apr 7, 2006

Jason
I opted out of my company car scheme and in the last 4 years have managed to fund an upgrade from a 944S2 to a 964C2 Targa through borrowing £10k(£300/month) and maintained the car with my allowance. After 3 years did the same again and now I'm running a 993TT and hoping I can fund the maintenance. I am also funding a Motorway hack for my company mileage as well all from the same pot of £450/month. The small profit from company mileage and the £800 cash back from the tax man all helps(ie the diff between the 20p/mile from comapny and 45p tax allowance)

So from my perspective its the way to go as I have an asset (so far £10k)at the end of the day to show for my money besides all the fun etc.

The price is excellent for the mileage, you need to check the VIN due to the colour change etc, dont overly worry about the FSH as you must have it inspected which in my mind is more important, you have to go by its condition and the inspection at this price you cant really go wrong. See if you can find a local 964 RS owner to help(Mel know anyone!?) check it out and have a look about on Pistonheads as the car will be known and it may give you some further background, as he has probably talked about it there and compared it to the 993RS he has bought. The mag wheels are nice to have but you would still want a second set of wheels and track day tyres anyway for fear of damaging etc.

and there is never any harm in looking, that is if you can restrain yourself.

jason · Apr 7, 2006

I think Gordon means Ian....and I agree with him[

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IanHighfield · Apr 8, 2006

Gordon,

I will e-mail offline re: running via my allowance - that is good info - thanks.

Any view on why the rear bumper is standard C2 and not an RS item ?

I have had pictures from Keith and will arrange to view in due course.

Melv - any recommendations on someone for an inspection ?

IanHighfield · Apr 8, 2006

Are these speedline splitties (I know it says so, but the correct option ones for the RS)?

RSGulp · Apr 8, 2006

Any view on why the rear bumper is standard C2 and not an RS item ?

Ian,

If I may offer my 2p worth... I suspect, as seems to be quite common with RS's that have seen track usage, the car may have had a little 'off road' experience some time in it's life. The wrong rear bumper section and colour change would make me think it has had rear damage and the owner decided to change the colour in the process of repairing the car.

Of course I may be simply jumping to conclusions. Generally nothing to worry about if the car has been repaired to a very high standard - it seems well-priced for a slightly non-original RS which may or may not have a story to tell. Checking the spot welds along the sides of the engine bay might reveal whether panels have been replaced (Christ, I sound like I know what I'm talking about - thanks to Mr McLean!).

Of course, it may have just been a carpark prang that needed a replacement bumper to put right - and the colour change was just down to personal taste.

I considered viewing the car myself, but was concerned about the length of time it had been on the market with regards to reselling it in a few years time. When I eventually find my RS, I'll need to consider the length of time I'll keep it - whether I'll be changing it in 4-5 yrs time.

A well-priced, great looking car - get it checked out and if it's right for you, go for it!

Rich

TISPKJ · Apr 8, 2006

ORIGINAL: jason

Paul I know all about the split rims but doesn't change my point....and I've never met Dessie[]

You dont know how lucky you are [

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lee fulford · Apr 8, 2006

ORIGINAL: highfield

Are these speedline splitties (I know it says so, but the correct option ones for the RS)?

You'd have to check the part number on the reverse side of the wheel. I could confirm against my numbers but means you'd have to take the wheels off.

Judging by the picture they look correct with the rights offsets etc.

Just go wap your wad before I win the lotto tonight. (Subject to inspection obviously)

Yoda · Apr 8, 2006

A good friend of mine was interested in the car but I don't think he ever made it as far as a viewing. If you want a car that is great to drive and will be used, I think it is a very good buy for someone. Not what a colector would buy but at that price it is a steal if it has all the right mechanical bits. As for all cars, get an inspection and see if it needs any routine maintenance - tyres, brakes, service, clutch, geometry etc all adds up but if it feels right to drive that is a good start. Re lack of history and clolour, as long as you take this into account and buy at the right price then I don't see the problem. I would be more concerned with maintenance over the last few years than 15 years ago so check what it has had in recent years.

If the car is as described and drives well, I don't think you can go worng at that price. You can always sort some of the minor items (like the bumper) at a later date and the wheels look pretty good as long as they don't foul the arches etc.

Go for it!!

IanHighfield · Apr 9, 2006

Thank you for all your input - most helpful.

Unfortunately it looks as though it will sell before I can get any free time to view (after Easter as business gets in the way before then [

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Thanks to Keith for his info offline.

Oh well, life goes on and so does the search.