Values for various turbo models?

[DivineE]

Is this thread for any age turbo of just the 'real' 911 turbo?

I was wondering if anyone has ever made a lifeline chart of turbo prices for the various models of 911. This thought was first spawned by seeing a 3.3 964 turbo I kept the add for from 5 years ago come back up for sale recently for £14k more than it was before with more miles on it.

I looked at all the models and considered their values, thought about the popularity and how it changes with age, thought about the build quality and reliability of the various models (as far as I can establish it using common faults/own experiences), then took a gamble and bought a low mileage 996 turbo.

Bought for less than £30k (lower than any other model 911 turbo available today) I figure its value will at worst dip to just under £20k (like the 964 turbo did), probably remain the same and possible appreciate to over £30 over the next 5 years.. with the benefit that I get to enjoy the car in the meantime, adding reasonable mileage.

Thoughts? What do others reckon to the time scale for values with age? Forgetting maintenance and upkeep which is 'likely to be' no more than my usual 944 turbo (e.g. £1200 for a clutch, £1000 for belts etc) so normal (unlike a 355, DB9 or Gallardo).

In a world where no car is bought as an investment, could the 911 turbo be a respectable way to invest money while interest rates are lower than inflation?

p.s. not that I care either way because I still get the pleasure of driving it and that's what really matters ..but out of interest as this is how I justified it to myself.[]

 

[DivineE]

I expected people would have many opinions on this, I guess not many people use this forum?

 

[Rodney Naghar]

I think you'd be very unlucky to see them dip below 20k unless it has high mileage (over 100k). The turbo was produced in large numbers so unlikely to appreciate soon, and the more mileage they have the more scared people are of high running costs (real or imagined).Of the 996 range ,the market is first likely to turn on the 996RS, then GT3 MK1/2 and GT2 then the turbo. The former are still dropping in price slowly.

It's the best value supercar on the market today, enormous performance, fantastic all rounder - enjoy.

 

[DivineE]

Damn that sounds a depressingly plausible theory. My plan was that the values of the non GT3/turbo would probably rise back into the 20's as the country comes out of the current recession over the next 3-4 years as people will want to treat themselves. Then that in turn would push up the value of the higher models. Oh well, guess I'll just have to keep it longer if you're right[]

 

[Frenchy]

Ben,
A guy i know was selling what sounds very similar to your car, W plate black with black leather everything and more, 40 odd k, only thing that spoiled the car IMO, was the wheels were finished in black why i think would look far better in the original finish.
Can i ask where you bought it, last owner initials MA ?

 

[DivineE]

Sorry I've only just seen this. Yes the very same and from Cumbria too[] should have known someone would know it. I'm not a fan of the black wheels either. I wasn't sure if they'd look better in the flesh but they don't. The only time they look good is when the car is dirty.. gives it a sort of evil appearance in all stealth black. Top marks to the bloke though. Its unbelievably well looked after for a 10 year old car! Always serviced before it was required and not a mark, scratch or dent anywhere on the car inside or out.

I'm not sure I like owning something that can only get worse in my ownership. I'm used to buying a car and thinking how I can tidy it up/improve it before I sell it on. On the plus side it is lovely to own a car I can enjoy with no to do list or nagging chores on my mind, just regular servicing each year and the odd wear and tear item. My aim will be to keep it preserved and hand it back to the world as it came to me. Enjoy it and replace anything that wears in good time.

I hear you are getting a 996 too? Have you picked it up yet?

 

[carreracat]

there's a 964 turbo here for sale at under 20k, anyone know it?? http://www.usedcarsni.com/56010337?grtkey=1288676816_22a1a6c4546d12c629f45c3654214fcc

 

[DivineE]

ORIGINAL: carreracat

there's a 964 turbo here for sale at under 20k, anyone know it?? http://www.usedcarsni.com/56010337?grtkey=1288676816_22a1a6c4546d12c629f45c3654214fcc

No info on the car I'm afraid but he actually states in the advert that no other car is for sale at less than 30k. Why would a company willingly undersell a car to the tune of £10k if there wasn't a problem with the car? Cat D?

 

[T911UK]

Yes, cat D, it was on Pistonheads last month

 

[DivineE]

ORIGINAL: T911UK

Yes, cat D, it was on Pistonheads last month

That's kind of what I suspected but still if you're not worried about the resale value it looks like it could be a nice buy? I would only worry about the kind of person who would buy a written off car to re-build and what quality the work was carried out to.

Maybe you'd be lucky and some enthusiastic person would have put some real time into it but they'd have to know they were throwing money at a lost cause. It's not unheard of, it's something I accept with my 944 because I love them.

 

[carreracat]

Cat D means what exactly? financial write off? or does it always mean serious structural deformation?

 

[carreracat]

answered my own question (well Dr. Google did!):

Cat A is for burn outs and gutted vehicles. Only value is in the baled weight at a metal recyclers.

Cat B is where the vehicle is no longer safe to put back on the road and must be broken or crushed. These can only be sold to registered dismantlers with an EPA waste licence. They are actually sold as parts and are no longer considered as a vehicle. There is no economic consideration involved, purely a safety one. Vehicles that have been flooded are normally written off as a cat B.

Cat C is where the car is repairable but is not economic to do so. Think older cars and or ones where the chassis needs jigging.

Cat D is where the vehicle is repairable and would be economic to do so (cost of salvage + cost of repairs < Pre accident value) but the insurance company has decided not to repair the vehicle. This could be due to excessive storage or recovery costs, etc.

 

[carreracat]

my friend bought it already, didn't even see the car! paid GBP17k so i guess nt a bad deal even for a cat D

 

[DivineE]

As far as I'm aware that's not strictly correct. As far as I understand it Cat A and Cat B cannot be put back on the road, Cat C is repairable but for more serious damage, still requires a professional safety assessment to be made of the repairs/condition before it is allowed back on the road and Cat D simply means uneconomical to repair/insurance write off. No assessment is required for the car to be put back on the road, so obviously damage cannot have been too serious.

Regards,

Ben