Water pump suppliers?

Paul 290T · May 1, 2015

Hi everyone,

An internet search tonight turned up only Porscheshop and Eurocarparts offering the turbo water pump in the UK. ECP might actually be offering the N/A pump, so I'll have to ring them first. I'll try the OPC tomorrow, but do you know any other vendors, I want an OEM pump and fitting kit?

Regards

pauljmcnulty · May 1, 2015

Rose Passion?

Seem to be getting a lot of good feedback, and the site's not bad once you've got used to it. Just over 200 euros for a turbo water pump, which seems pretty reasonable by comparison. [

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supersport · May 1, 2015

ORIGINAL: pauljmcnulty

Rose Passion?

Seem to be getting a lot of good feedback, and the site's not bad once you've got used to it. Just over 200 euros for a turbo water pump, which seems pretty reasonable by comparison. []

and it's run by a lady which is still pretty unusual even in the 21st Century .

BenEngland · May 1, 2015

Hi. My local Independent supplied a 'Genuine Exchange Waterpump Kit' for £285 + Vat for my 220 Turbo last year. Don't know exactly what was in the 'Kit' as they fitted it.

The Rose Passion part at around £188.00 including a Gasket, Vat & delivery looks to be very reasonable provided that they are a genuine Porsche parts.

Obviously the Exchange rate is working very much in our favour at the moment.

colin944 · May 1, 2015

I can recommend Rose Passion http://www.rosepassion.com/en/sel/?ploopi_url=N0dG4l3aMJJJz7vHakUu02qtH0ZxX1OIvkE9AV4wPrubzIa4nSx-Ww%2C%2C .

I fitted one to my S2 its a new part made by Laso http://laso.de/home.php?id=1001&width=&height=&lang=en

Very good quality.

pauljmcnulty · May 1, 2015

provided that they are a genuine Porsche parts

Did Porsche ever make the water pump themselves?

Chrishazle · May 1, 2015

Are they the same as on the 968, as there's a thread running on 968uk at the moment about Circoli water pumps on ebay for considerably less money than mentioned above, and a number of 968 owners have bought as "just in case" items!

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/400906723173

Also Waylander has a supplier who refurbs water pumps to a high standard, I'm pretty sure he's posted on here about them, worth checking.

944 man · May 1, 2015

No, 2.7l & 3.0l pumps differ from 2.5l pumps and theyre usually dearer. A 'Turbo' pump is a normal pump with a hole drilled in it. More specifically, all pumps are Turbo pumps which may or may not have the hole drilled...

Richair · May 2, 2015

I changed the w.pump on my T last summer and I sourced it through my local ECP who managed to get me an OE pump that even had the Porsche sticker with part numbers on the box, for just under £200. I think it did take 2 attempts to get the right one though as there system isn't great for rare cars! They were very helpful though so I recommend popping in to see them.

Monkeythree · May 2, 2015

ORIGINAL: pauljmcnulty

provided that they are a genuine Porsche parts

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Did Porsche ever make the water pump themselves?

Extremely unlikely. The vast majority of automotive components are manufactured by specialist suppliers. In the case of 944 water pumps, I believe (may be wrong!) that Geba were the OEM supplier.

FI, It's not unusual for the OEM (the car manufacturer) to approve two suppliers for one component. This means they can play one off against the other on price and gives them options if there is a supply chain issue in one supplier or a volume uplift that needs two suppliers to both be supplying in order to support the volumes. So it may be that there was more than one 944 water pump supplier.

In terms of the aftermarket, the way it usually works is that the OEM writes into the OE supplier contract that they are obliged to continue to manufacture and make available the same component for a pre-determined period after the end of production of the vehicle (what is called OES supply). 15 years is typical. So the OEM has security of knowing they can support their customers with "OEM" parts and the OES supplier gets a long term revenue stream. Of course, what happens is that other suppliers want a piece of the action so they reverse engineer the component and start knocking them out into the aftermarket under their own brands. The water starts to get muddy then because many of these suppliers supply components direct to other car manufacturers and therefore they lay claim to being "OEM" suppliers. The wholesalers and retailers know that by labelling anything as "OEM" it adds crediibilty so what ends up happening is that components get sold as "OEM quality" when in fact, the manufacturer of said component was never actually an OEM supplier at all.

So the moral of the story is that if you want to be certain that you are buying an OEM manufacturer approved component, buy it from the OEM manufacturer. They won't have made it but they will have approved the supplier to do so.

Paul 290T · May 2, 2015

Thanks everyone.

I've contacted Rose Passion requesting which company manufactures their pumps.

ECP are listing my pump at £275 or £251 (their site does not explain the difference between these two "OE Quality" pumps, which are considerably more than Rose passion at £186.

Regards

Waylander · May 2, 2015

Geba and laso were the suppliers to Porsche

wibble · May 2, 2015

If your current pump is in reasonable condition, then get it refurb'd for about £100. If you search this forum a few months back on waterpumps, you should find the details - all warrantied.

For kit, I assume you mean gaskets, o-rings and nylon elbow to the turbo water pump. I used OPC for these parts.

Chrishazle · May 2, 2015

Waylander is your man for getting water pumps refurbished!

pauljmcnulty · May 2, 2015

Is there some definitive advice here?

Seems there's a huge price difference between the UK OEM parts and the European options? Great to know, and it's why being part on the EU is so good for us all in the UK. My anti-fascist don't vote UKIP rant over, lol!

Are the incredibly cheap ebay options worth considering? Labour is far more than the parts cost, let alone the costs if the pump fails, and sites like Rose Passion have good feedback.

The 968 rebuilt option looks good, but how many people have tried it, and is there some feedback yet? Assuming they are the same as an S2 part Waylander's mate seems to be a good option?

Waylander · May 3, 2015

He can do any with metal impellers I have sent him a few for stock

Lifetime warranty

The address and contact is in another post.
https://www.porscheclubgb.com/forum/tm.asp?m=864058&mpage=1&key=Water%2Cpumps&#864058

GlennS · May 3, 2015

ORIGINAL: Paul 290T

I've contacted Rose Passion requesting which company manufactures their pumps.

ORIGINAL: Waylander

Geba and laso were the suppliers to Porsche

Rose Passion supplied a Geba pump for my S2. My mechanic (a notoriously fussy fella) didn't turn his nose up so I presume it was OK

Monkeythree · May 3, 2015

My working assumption is that marque specialists like Rose Passion et al would be more likely to stock parts made by the actual OEM supplier. Their business model needs repeat business and their market generally knows their stuff and talks to each other about it. So they can't afford to take risks on selling inferior parts that then come back to them as warranty claims.

On the other hand, generalists shop around month by month for cheap deals and spot buys from a wide range of suppliers. I suppose they know that this means more failures in the market but that their business model is built on high volume, low margin and repeat business is not so important. Presumably they accept a degree of customer dissatisfaction have a built in float in the price to cover the resulting warranty.