What differences C2 993 & C2S 993

[carreraboy]

Other than the Turbo wide body what are the standard differences between the two models . I am aware the C4S has a whole host of extras, but what does the C2S, for instance suspension mods, steering rack, wheels size options, gear ratios, body kit ... etc .. Thanks.

 

[jdpef356]

Take a look at

https://www.porscheclubgb.com/forum/tm.asp?m=390258

plus you may find other answers on the FAQ,s.

 

[38F3E1]

C2 & C2S are purely cosmetic changes Des.

C4 and C4S have cosmetic differences plus differences around running gear etc but no more power.

Ian.

 

[carreraboy]

Thanks everyone, I must say Maurice Pipers the Reg Sec informative write ups are reason alone to get back to a 993. It would seem the 993C2S sits on the M030 suspension with less progressive springs, the 18 wider width wheels a must, the handling must be revolutionary for the 911 of the day ...

 

[Hacki]

Another difference is about 10-12 grand + for the S, if you want to buy one.

 

[pse_SC]

C2 & C2S are purely cosmetic changes Des.
C4 and C4S have cosmetic differences plus differences around running gear etc but no more power.

Another difference is about 10-12 grand + for the S, if you want to buy one.

Exactly - you essentially pay at least £10-12k more for a wider a4se car[]

 

[964RS]

Wider = not so nimble through the twisties. You have to breathe in a bit when you overtake people.

Beards used to be mandatory for 993 drivers but this regulation may have been relaxed. []

 

[38F3E1]

ORIGINAL: carreraboy

Thanks everyone, I must say Maurice Pipers the Reg Sec informative write ups are reason alone to get back to a 993. It would seem the 993C2S sits on the M030 suspension with less progressive springs, the 18 wider width wheels a must, the handling must be revolutionary for the 911 of the day ...

I can't quite remember on the C2S suspension (and I think it depends on what country it was sold in) but I think the standard suspension on the C2S was the same as the standard suspension on the C2. Both could be ordered with standard, M033 (lowered but standard rate) and M030 (lowered and stiffer) so it all depends on the car you are buying as to what it has on it. Again from memory the ARBs are standard for standard and M033 and uprated ARBs for M030.

Same brakes on both.

18s vs 17s is quite subjective so it depends on where you drive the car. 18s are much less forgiving on geo and what condition the suspension components are in but ultimately if everything is spot on gives a sharper feel. But for everyday driving on our roads the extra width of the 18s can feel a little over 'tyred' in my opinion and the higher sidewalls of the 17s give a smoother ride. 18s definately the size of choice on fast smooth roads or on track.

The C2 vs C2S debate is all about look really as in the real world there is nothing between them as a driving experience.

Ian.

 

[carreraboy]

Goaty?

 

[orangecurry]

ORIGINAL: carreraboy

Other than the Turbo wide body what are the standard differences between the two models . I am aware the C4S has a whole host of extras, but what does the C2S, for instance suspension mods, steering rack, wheels size options, gear ratios, body kit ... etc .. Thanks.

I believe all widebodied cars had the later 'emissions' gearbox, confusing called the G50/20, which was also phased in across the rest of the range during the latter part of 1996. Obviously as varioram was introduced at the end of the MY95 build, you have the 1996 C2 fitted with varioram AND the earlier close-ratio G50/21 gearbox, which is of course the pick of the bunch.

 

[orangecurry]

Interesting point made in the Autocar June 97 article:

'Even in Carrera S guise, whose fat rear arches and wide track spoil the handling balance by introducing too much understeer compared with the standard car....'

So you would be making that understeer worse by fitting 285/30/18 (and 225/40 fronts) instead of the 255/40/17 ( and 205/50 fronts) as used by the testers?

 

[964RS]

I've been told that the driver experiences 'tram-lining' with 18" rims.

Non-Varioram is the engine of choice for engine-tuners. [8|]

 

[orangecurry]

Regarding the Non-V, that may or may not be true, but it isn't relevant to the OP. (sounds like a poem)

ETA I suppose it is relevant if the OP didn't know that the WB cars only had V-engines?

Regarding the 18s, IME Ian has already answered that perfectly with ' 18s are much less forgiving on geo and what condition the suspension components are in '

 

[carreraboy]

Guess why Porsche dropped variorum for the 993 Cup engine and 993RSR

 

[tscaptain]

ORIGINAL: carreraboy

Guess why Porsche dropped variorum

Not enough alcohol?[]

 

[Jonttt]

ORIGINAL: MoC2S

ORIGINAL: carreraboy

Thanks everyone, I must say Maurice Pipers the Reg Sec informative write ups are reason alone to get back to a 993. It would seem the 993C2S sits on the M030 suspension with less progressive springs, the 18 wider width wheels a must, the handling must be revolutionary for the 911 of the day ...

Blush ... [][][] .. oh Des you say the loveliest things .. slight correction, both S models come standard with M033 'Lowered' suspension, same height as M030, and the Hollow Spoke 18s were an option, albeit fitted to most UK cars. The handling is certainly revolutionary, as you say !

cheers, Maurice ( Busy doing a writeup .. [] )

2S had 17 cup wheels as standard but many had the 18 hollow spokes as factory options. 4S had 18 inch solid spokes as standard and not many were factory specced with the optional hollow spokes, therefore most 2S have hollow spokes and most 4S have sold spokes (but the owners assume they are hollow spokes)

 

[Rotorhead]

The 18" 'hollow spoke' ('Technology'?) wheels were an expensive option at the time, IIRC - c. £2,000 - but no doubt a valuable unsprung weight saving.

 

[lauris]

ORIGINAL: carreraboy

Other than the Turbo wide body what are the standard differences between the two models . I am aware the C4S has a whole host of extras, but what does the C2S, for instance suspension mods, steering rack, wheels size options, gear ratios, body kit ... etc .. Thanks.

Have owned both, S long gone, but got a standard body car.

2S had a different read enginer cover, some detailing on the dash and the different cills and rear wings, plus the front bumper is different, it was also lowered by 20mm as standard i recall , I think it says that in the original brochure, has standard brakes as per the narrow car, mine had the 18" hollow spokes but I think these were an option - not sure, but I think the car would have looked silly on 17" with the big rear.

Narrow body car I have is pre-varioram and feels more nible, less roll, but then it has B6 suspension.

both excellent cars, for driving the standard car is lighter, to look at the rear of the S model is stunning,

cheers
scott.

 

[carreraboy]

Thanks, they also came with a rear and front spoiler option, personally love the standard rear twine vented engine lid.