what do you get for 60k

[colt]

Hi all,
If i'm in the market for a 964 rs what can i expect in terms of condition ,mileage,accident damage ,rhd /lhd for 60k? Seems to be a big range of prices around the web. I would prefer r/h/d, Is that a good thing as demand is lower? and their are no euro buyers for such a car even though it was produced in much lower numbers ? Is a car with 60-80 k miles and more expected to have had lots of bits replaced and therefore a totally original car would be very tired?
Many thanks for your thoughts Cj

 

[Damen]

You'd be very, very lucky to get anything (regardless of the current turmoil in the financial markets), and anything for that kind of money will have a story or two to tell. To get anything worthwhile, I think, you need to be spending another £20K on top of your proposed £60K.

Damen

 

[chfs911]

Colt I emailed you my thoughts but your email is not working. Can you fix it?

 

[jason]

There has been a couple of LHD cars with original panel and paint that have been nice around 60k recently with average mileage (40-60k miles).

Not been many rhd's for sale on open Market so difficult to say but would expect them to be more at the minute!

 

[colt]

Thanks All for your thoughts , Is a loud colour a factor in price or just buyers available.
Cj

 

[carreraboy]

GP White apparently best colour[8D]

 

[h_____]

yes, Mint Green, yellow and maritine all way more desirable, add 20k. []

I'm not sure, there are buyers for both the loud colours and the colours of the C2/4 at the time. Red / black etc. If you want a subset of colours be prepared to wait - one will come on the market in time.

As for your price, there are / will be cars in that bracket. A tidy LHD with well used miles, and perhaps a tiny bit of history should be managable.

Seriously if you want a nice usable car, and are not too worried about original panel or paint....then you stand a chance. However, you will need to get it checked out thoroughly by someone who knows.

 

[carreraboy]

Red for a Turbo Hugh ....[]

 

[PhilRS]

ORIGINAL: h_____
Seriously if you want a nice usable car, and are not too worried about original panel or paint....then you stand a chance. However, you will need to get it checked out thoroughly by someone who knows.

Wise words.

 

[Steve Brookes]

Colt, if you're seriously thinking about buying one, this might be of interest?

http://www.porscheclubgbforum.com/tm.asp?m=632030

 

[Laurence Gibbs]

To answer your specific questions and this is just one point of view. RHD demand is likely to be the same as lhd given the difference in numbers made and export ability . i.e. though less want a rhd there are far fewer availiable. So the demand likely to even up. These cars are now at least 20 years old. Any original car (mechanically) is on 20 years old parts, rubber parts, bushes, seals etc are all going to be not as fresh as cars fitted with fresh parts.
Many RS have accident damage in fact i'd stick my neck out and say most RS have ! The accident free cars tend to attract a premium and in your budget range your unlikely to find a low miles accident free car though you might find a high miles car. The likely senario is a high miles accident free car will want work associated with the mileage at this price. I am personally sceptical of the worth of the premium of a low miles car given the age of the seals within.And if you intend to use the car the miles will go up and the cost evens out. None the less a premium will exist.
In my view the RS is slowly reaching a turning point. The good original low miles cars will always fetch a premium but they are collectors cars and wont be used in anger . Its very likely that if they were used they would soon leak and the handling would be less than ideal with time hardned rubber within the bushes and shocks that have taken a set after many years of idleness.
Most RS will have or need work by now with suspension bushes , springs , shocks and high miles cars and low miles cars wanting engine work at some point either due to leaks or engine wear. Nothing lasts forever!
So as per other advice on here. Look for a car that has had some money spent on it (in the areas mentioned) and have the car checked out to ensure it's been repaired well and you'll get the RS experience proper .

 

[seawise]

Colt,

i have a rhd 964RS first reg 1/8/93 that i might consider parting with, just sold my 993RS so in the right mental place for further loss. it's black, 80k miles, full service history (massive file), had engine/gearbox rebuild at 60k miles at considerable expense, mechanically tiptop and properly quick. i bought it in 2007 from Paul Mclean. tbok no accidents, but will not be original paint on every panel after 80k miles, thats for sure. haven't thought of a value, if you are interested then we could discuss. please say no, i would rather keep it really.

 

[Melv]

Say no Colt!![]

 

[Hacki]

ORIGINAL: Laurence Gibbs

In my view the RS is slowly reaching a turning point. The good original low miles cars will always fetch a premium but they are collectors cars and wont be used in anger .

Interesting point; Laurence. You think, we are there now? Maybe worth an extra thread - history of the 964 RS. Many customers wanted it when it was new, most of them sold it very quickly due to a real harsh behaviour. Then worth almost nothing for a few years and used in clubsport like a piece of junk. After that a car for enthusiasts for little money with a lot of track potential, then a rather expensive but affordable sports car with the first collectors coming in. And now? See above...

 

[colt]

Thank you, all for the valuable advice, It is being absorbed.Many excellent points made.
I shall ponder.
Cj

 

[h_____]

ORIGINAL: Hacki

ORIGINAL: Laurence Gibbs

In my view the RS is slowly reaching a turning point. The good original low miles cars will always fetch a premium but they are collectors cars and wont be used in anger .

Interesting point; Laurence. You think, we are there now? Maybe worth an extra thread - history of the 964 RS. Many customers wanted it when it was new, most of them sold it very quickly due to a real harsh behaviour. Then worth almost nothing for a few years and used in clubsport like a piece of junk. After that a car for enthusiasts for little money with a lot of track potential, then a rather expensive but affordable sports car with the first collectors coming in. And now? See above...

Hacki, I think we are there now. The mint, low miles cars attract huge premiums over the used cars. There are plenty of us that use them on track, but quite a few that are tucked up in collections now. I think that will continue.

 

[ChrisW]

Take as an example the lovely Metallic Coral Red car that I owned. RHD. 25,000 miles, totally original.

Bought it for £43k in Spring 2007, sold it in late 2009 for £60k, was sold to a collector --- probably for around £75k on a matched deal basis (with around £5k spent to make it pristine), then sold early this year for over £100k --- exported to HK which was where it started with Jebsons ---

I should get rid of the stables and park my cars there ... !

P.S. Matt's car was a very nice car for £54k ? --- had some paintwork but mechanically spot on and low mileage --- so have values increased since ? RHD + £10k for rarity (many back out in HK) and Clubsport + £10k.

Then the argument of miles v. maintenance v. virgins (who ever saved their "other half" for somebody else ??)