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Fit of madness I am now a 944 owner all I know is it is 2.5 engine F reg with 148000 . How do I tell what type I have ?
 
welcome Lurcher.
Brilliant

you just bought the best car of your life. You won't regret it.
Judging by the reg it must be one of the first 944S models (1987-1989) so I am surprised its a 2500cc i would have expected it to be a 16 valve 2.700cc engine twin overhead cam 16v 190bhp 170Ib/ft torque at 4,300rpm

If it was sold in UK then it will be a Lux as were all of the UK cars . It may have some optional extras like sports seats maybe leather seats and possibly Air con. almost certaily a electric removable sunroof .
Presume you bought it on fleabay ? let us have some pics when you can. what part of the country are you in?
 
The chassis & engine numbers will tell you the type, year of manufacture, country of sale etc, the option list sticker will tell you what options you car had when new.

There are varios books & websites that will help you decode them, or post them up here & I'll have a go at it.

Congratulations on your purchase btw [:D]
 
Right well I will get the num,bers off it in the morning . It has MOT till May 2008 and tax till Oct everything works including the rear wiper and sunroof so am happy about that, Red of course and yes a Fleabay but actually bought before the end of the sale for ÂŁ850 . http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=017&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=270125671308&rd=1&rd=1
Had some terrible white stripes Starksy and Hutch style which are now gone , a good hoover out and sorted out the bad earth on the battery strap and it seems to be ok . Did I do well? Pics to follow after a clean up .
 
Could be a standard 944 or a 944S. Both were 2.5ltr engines. 944S was a 16v engine and you will see written on the trim on the front wings -ventiler- if it is this model or look under the bonnet it will have a larger cam cover.

There was never a 16v 2.7ltr - sorry

Enjoy the car.

Rich
 
I am in Alton Hants and the whole deal took less than an hour from seeing it on EBAY to arriving at home , Mid life crisis as it was my birthday as well !My wife had a 250 se Turbo years ago which I made her sell after spending ÂŁ700 on 2 front Struts just to pass the MOT she has never really let me forget . She now has a 3.2 TT which I hate !
 
ORIGINAL: rcsalmons

There was never a 16v 2.7ltr - sorry

.Rich

Sorry need to correct you there Rich
There certainly was a 2.7 ltr 944 .
The 16valve 944S was launched in 1986 The 16 Ventilier (valve) badge on the front wing was optional but the 944S badge on the tailgate was standard however the main way of telling is the cylinder head which is similar to the S2
The 2.7ltr engine was introduced in 1988 for one year only and increased to 3ltr in 1989 when it became the S2
The 944S2 with 2700cc engine was called the sport and is very rare one recently selling on ebay although the seller was unaware of the rarity of the car. There was some discussion about the 2.7 on this forum a few weeks ago

 
ORIGINAL: peanut

ORIGINAL: rcsalmons

There was never a 16v 2.7ltr - sorry

.Rich

Sorry need to correct you there Rich
There certainly was a 2.7 ltr 944 .
The 16valve 944S was launched in 1986 The 16 Ventilier (valve) badge on the front wing was optional but the 944S badge on the tailgate was standard however the main way of telling is the cylinder head which is similar to the S2
The 2.7ltr engine was introduced in 1988 for one year only and increased to 3ltr in 1989 when it became the S2
The 944S2 with 2700cc engine was called the sport and is very rare one recently selling on ebay although the seller was unaware of the rarity of the car. There was some discussion about the 2.7 on this forum a few weeks ago

The 2.7 was an 8v not 16v, I used to own one.
 
ORIGINAL: peanut



Sorry need to correct you there Rich
There certainly was a 2.7 ltr 944 .
The 16valve 944S was launched in 1986 The 16 Ventilier (valve) badge on the front wing was optional but the 944S badge on the tailgate was standard however the main way of telling is the cylinder head which is similar to the S2
The 2.7ltr engine was introduced in 1988 for one year only and increased to 3ltr in 1989 when it became the S2
The 944S2 with 2700cc engine was called the sport and is very rare one recently selling on ebay although the seller was unaware of the rarity of the car. There was some discussion about the 2.7 on this forum a few weeks ago

Peanut,

I think you need to eat your hat [:D], I have a 944 S and its definetly 2.5 litres, 16 valve.

2.7 litre was the 8 valve Lux.

http://www.connact.com/~kgross/FAQ/944faq02.html

Dave K.

 
I am suprised nobody has mentioned the white sticker in the boot yet!!
You will find it behind the carpet and stuck onto the body work just above where the spare wheel fits. This will tell you everything you need to know. Model, paint, optional extras etc.


 
ORIGINAL: lurcher

...........Had some terrible white stripes Starksy and Hutch style which are now gone , a good hoover out and sorted out the bad earth on the battery strap and it seems to be ok . Did I do well? Pics to follow after a clean up .

Looks good Lurcher. I think you were right to remove those stripes though - they look terrible ! These stripes seem to becoming very popular now. Does anyone know when/why they started off? Is is something to do with racing Renaults in the '70's ?
 
ORIGINAL: peanut

ORIGINAL: rcsalmons

There was never a 16v 2.7ltr - sorry

.Rich

Sorry need to correct you there Rich
There certainly was a 2.7 ltr 944 .
The 16valve 944S was launched in 1986 The 16 Ventilier (valve) badge on the front wing was optional but the 944S badge on the tailgate was standard however the main way of telling is the cylinder head which is similar to the S2
The 2.7ltr engine was introduced in 1988 for one year only and increased to 3ltr in 1989 when it became the S2
The 944S2 with 2700cc engine was called the sport and is very rare one recently selling on ebay although the seller was unaware of the rarity of the car. There was some discussion about the 2.7 on this forum a few weeks ago

The reason the "944S2 with 2700cc engine" is vary rare is because there wasn't one. As Rich correctly stated there never was a 16v 2.7 ltr 944. The 2.7 ltr engine was introduced for the final model year (1989) of the NA 8v model. The new cylinder block that this model introduced was also used in the 944S2 introduced in the same model year but this had a 3 ltr capacity by way of a longer stroke. Prior to this, the 16v model (944S) had the older 2.5 ltr block.
 

well I can say with some certainty that my hat was not tasty [:D]
Apologies to you Rich I should have checked my facts before shooting my mouth off .

looks like I stirred up a bit of a hornets nest here and although I have made one typo about the 2.7 S2 which I meant to put 2.7 S (special edition sport) the rest is correct according to the written sources that I checked last night.
It is difficult to sort the truth out because so many writers have obviously cribbed from one another and few it would appear have had access to the original Stuttgart production records but when I posted it was not at all clear what lurcher had purchased. The details came in a later post.

According to Peter Morgan The Porsche3 924/944 page 167 Production volume data
The 944 was produced from 1981 ! to 1988
The 944S was produced from 1985! to 1988 although Michael Cotton says the 944S started production in 1987 but then Cotton also states that 944S2 production commenced in 1990 which we all know isn't true .

So who do you believe? It seems no one's data can be trusted .

Nigel Edwards Porsche 924 & 944 Classics in Colour has two splendid pictures on page 54 of the special edition 16 valve 2.7ltr 944 Sport which is the engine that I was referring to this 2.7 16 valve produced 250BHP according to Edwards and ya don't get that much BHP from a 2.5ltr even turboed ! Incidentally apparently only 70 of these cars reached our shores.They had a very distinctive stiping down the sides .

This is an interesting car about which little seems to be known. The F reg Sport sold on ebay a few weeks ago had some discussion about it. on here . I was kinda speculating whether Lurcher may have been the secret purchaser of this car .

interesting 944 production timeline here
http://www.cantonia.com/milestones.html
Paul Smiths history
http://www.titanic.co.uk/944/paulsmith/history.htm

heres the original thread from Porsche1-net about the special sold on ebay with a picture
http://www.titanic.co.uk/944/paulsmith/history.htm

Just re-read the dealers discription and it seems like that car was an AFN dealership aniversary car not a special as such ?
 
ORIGINAL: peanut


well I can say with some certainty that my hat was not tasty [:D]
Apologies to you Rich I should have checked my facts before shooting my mouth off .

looks like I stirred up a bit of a hornets nest here and although I have made one typo about the 2.7 S2 which I meant to put 2.7 S (special edition sport) the rest is correct according to the written sources that I checked last night.

Both are wrong, there was neither a 2.7 ltr 944S or 944S2

ORIGINAL: peanut
Nigel Edwards Porsche 924 & 944 Classics in Colour has two splendid pictures on page 54 of the special edition 16 valve 2.7ltr 944 Sport which is the engine that I was referring to this 2.7 16 valve produced 250BHP according to Edwards and ya don't get that much BHP from a 2.5ltr even turboed ! Incidentally apparently only 70 of these cars reached our shores.They had a very distinctive stiping down the sides .

The only 944 that produced 250 bhp WAS a 2.5 ltr turbo!!!!!!! Again there never was a 16v 2.7 ltr engine.

ORIGINAL: peanut
interesting 944 production timeline here
http://www.cantonia.com/milestones.html
Paul Smiths history
http://www.titanic.co.uk/944/paulsmith/history.htm

heres the original thread from Porsche1-net about the special sold on ebay with a picture
http://www.titanic.co.uk/944/paulsmith/history.htm

None of these links state there was a 2.7 ltr 16v model. Your second and third links here are the same. I would be interested to see exactly what this so called 2.7 ltr 944S was. Any chance of the correct link?
 
you post with such certainty that one must asume that you either worked at the factory or you have some documentary evidence that the rest of us are not privvy to.[:D]

sorry the last thing I want is an argument with you or anyone else . I concede you are right about everything ,hows that [;)]


 
ORIGINAL: peanut
.... this 2.7 16 valve produced 250BHP ...... ya don't get that much BHP from a 2.5ltr even turboed !
I think the top 20 of us listed on Rick's UK League would find that to be a little innaccurate [;)] (OK, so not all of them are 2.5 anymore, but a lot are)

http://cannell.co.uk/944%20UK%20League.htm
 

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