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PhilKent

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Looking at buying a Boxster for the wife, max budget of £15k prefer to spend closer to £10-12k, I know the more you spend the better, but we all have limits! So, what model/year/spec would you recommend I look at? Prefer an auto/tip box to manual...
I've read the buying guides, just after some users input...
Many thanks for any advice received.
 
So more specifically, the buying guide talks about issues in the Gen1 987 which are improved in the gen2 (MY2009) so what are these engine issues and will I save the 3-4k difference in years to come by buying a gen2?
I've heard of cylinder scoring issues, is this one of those things they refer to ??

Thanks for the feedback....
 
A quick search says you won't get a gen 2 for £12k - only one a 2.7 for sale with intergalactic mileage on Autotrader

Buy a car with a good history, pref a Club owned car. Maintenance history and condition more important than anything else

I'd look for decent spec gen 1 3.2 or3.4 S. Do you really want an auto?

If you do, something like this?

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201709169354883?sort=sponsored&make=PORSCHE&aggregatedTrim=987%20S&transmission=Automatic&advertising-location=at_cars&year-from=2005&radius=1500&model=BOXSTER&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&postcode=eh107ap&price-to=15000&page=1

Pre March 2006 cars are half the road tax too
 
Hi Richard, thanks for the reply. Appreciate I won't get a gen2 for £12k but they do start at about £15k, so based on the buying guide, am I to believe the suggested potential savings in engine issues in Gen1 versions? If so then 3-4k more may be worth it, but I can't find any info on what these apparent issues are. Why mention them in a buying guide but not expand on what they are and what to plan or look out for?? Seems a bit at odds to me.
The one you highlight looks good, I'd prefer a darker colour though!
As it's not an all out sports car (daily driver) I'd prefer an auto box based on general driving conditions. In my own experience a manual is only really an advantage on the track or for real driving engagement. It's nice to be able to relax when your on a commute, plus this will be primarily for my wife!
 
My gen 1 3.4 S 2007 cost £11k to rebuild after bore score issues
not that common but makes your budget hike pale into insignificance !,
id Roy and get a gen 2 DFI engine if you can stretch plus PDK even an early one is light years ahead of the old tip slush box
 
Try looking at the limited edition 550 Anniversary model, all the goodies plus. https://www.pistonheads.c...sary+spyder&M=1035

As ever good history and PPi are essential. A bit of bed time reading:-

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PCGB reading press release for Boxster Anniversay.
Boxster S Anniversary Edition
Porsche celebrates the 50th anniversary of its legendary sports roadster by launching its Spyder special edition
Porsche is celebrating the 50th birthday of the 550 Spyder by launching a powerful Boxster S special edition - limited to 1,953 units - and bearing the name "Boxster S Anniversary Edition". It is to be premiered in Detroit, USA in January 2004, and it is expected to reach the UK in March 2004. The "Boxster S Anniversary Edition" will be priced at £41,700 including VAT in the UK.
The Porsche Boxster is a direct descendent of the legendary 550 Spyder dating from 1953: common to both are the mid-engined roadster concept, low weight, outstanding agility, timelessly elegant body lines and a high level of driving pleasure. Now as then, every part of the car is dedicated to the demands of the enthusiastic driver resulting in the Porsche Boxster already having become a modern classic.
Porsche engineers have worked to enhance the roadster driving experience still further and have given the special "Boxster S Anniversary Edition" a series of sought-after equipment details and technical features that have not been available for the Boxster so far. The output of the Boxster S's 3.2-litre flat-six engine goes up by 6 bhp to 266 bhp (196 kW) at 6,200 rpm. The special edition has a top speed of 266 km/h (standard Boxster S: 264 km/h) and sprints from zero to 100 km/h in a mere 5.7 seconds (Tiptronic S: 6.4 seconds). Its maximum torque of 310 Nm is available at 4,600 rpm.
The exhaust system, which has a specially styled, stainless-steel tailpipe, delivers the typical Porsche sound. Porsche technicians have reduced the 6-speed gearbox's shift travel by 15 percent, a noticeable benefit that contributes to even greater driving pleasure whenever the car is accelerated. Tiptronic S, permitting driver selection of the chosen gear using toggle switches on the steering wheel, is an optional extra.
The car's true roadster character is emphasised by lowering the body by 10 millimetres and by sports suspension settings. This sports suspension improves the car's roadholding still further and permits higher lateral acceleration values. Porsche Stability Management (PSM) is installed as a standard to ensure optimum safety in all driving situations.
The brakes are another important safety feature. The cross-drilled brake discs have a diameter of 318 millimetres at the front and 299 millimetres at the rear. Exclusively for this special edition, the four-piston monobloc aluminum brake calipers have an aluminum paint finish. They are readily visible behind the larger 18-inch Carrera wheels (the standard model has 17-inch wheels). The spokes are painted in Seal Grey and provide additional visual emphasis. A coloured Porsche crest adorns each wheel hub cover. Five-millimeter wide spacers on all four wheels give the special "Boxster S Anniversary Edition" an even more powerful appearance and firmer road stance. Another feature that sets this model apart from the standard Boxster S are the grills finished in body colour above the openings in the rear struts, which recall the closed rear view of the 550. The Boxster S lettering at the rear is polished chrome plate. The colour of the padded front of the roll-over bars matches the interior. An on-board computer, Litronic headlamps with dynamic beam angle adjustment and a cleaning system are also standard.
Most of the original 550 Spyders were painted in silver. The special edition has therefore been finished in gleaming GT Silver metallic, a colour so far reserved for the Carrera GT and the "40 Years of the 911" model.
The soft top is in Cocoa, a dark brown colour used by Porsche for the first time on this special edition. The same two colours dominate the car's interior, with matching carpet and floor mats with the Porsche inscription. Dark grey natural leather is available as an alternative; in this case the carpets and the hood are in black.
In both interior colours, the leather finish on the centre panels of the heated sport seats, the handbrake lever, the gear lever gaiter, the inside door handles and the padded sport steering wheel provide exclusive visual cues and tactile features that give the interior a special character. The seat back shells, the rear section of the centre console, the handbrake lever, the grooved bar on the dashboard, the switch panel and the back of the roll-over bars are all finished in GT Silver, achieving a striking contrast. The black instrument dials are framed by chrome rings. The ball-shaped gear-lever knob is made of aluminum trimmed with Cocoa leather. The (optional) Tiptronic S gear shift cover is highly polished as is the Boxster S lettering that stands out against the black door sills.
This Boxster S special edition bears a limited-edition plate on the centre console indicating each car's individual production number. Automatic air conditioning, the Porsche CDR-23 radio with audio package and wind-deflectors are all standard and complete the package.
Notes:
Porsche presented the 550 Spyder to the public for the first time at the Paris Motor Show in October 1953. This fabulous two-seater was the first sports car from Stuttgart-Zuffenhausen developed especially for motorsport. Weighing just 550 kilos or 1213 lb, the lightweight Spyder was destined to score numerous wins on racing circuits the world over and in road races so popular at the time. A particular highlight enthusiasts still remember to this very day is the 1954 Carrera Panamericana, Hans Herrmann finishing third overall behind two much bigger and more powerful sports cars, thus bringing home victory in his class in this fifth and last edition of the toughest road race in the world. This outstanding success was to be followed by a long list of further victories and successful entries in motorsport by both the works team and a number of private customer teams.
Incidentally, the type designation of the car was not derived from its weight as is sometimes assumed; it was, in fact, the 550th Porsche design project.
Report from 21/11/2003
21/11/2003

 
Hi Phil, I have a 2006 2.7 manual in black that I'm considering selling within your budget. 53k miles and in excellent condition, I've owned for the past 3 years and it hasn't missed a beat. Manual is very light & easy to use in traffic. PM me if you'd like any more details.
Cheers,
Andrew.
 
An interesting conundrum

With your stated preference for an auto, and a £15k max budget, you are right on the cusp of Gen2 PDK territory.
The trade off, is that a gen2 with PDK in your budget will have 70,000+ miles, but you will get the DFi engine and PDK box and none of the risks normally associated with the Gen1.
Might look like this
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201710140287948

The alternative is a lower mileage, but older Gen1 with an old school tiptronic box.

I know a limit is a limit, but breaking it by £3-£5k will get you a low milleage Gen2-PDK like this
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201709079065783?

Having said that, I could not be happier with my mint £10k, 2006 low mileage 2.7 manual and don't worry about anything else.
Is that £20k Gen2 PDK , twice the car? I don't think so.

Damn, that red Gen 2 PDK for £15k does look nice though... now look what you've gone and done...


 
For what it's worth, I bought an oldish 911 (996) tiptronic, but fairly quickly p/exed back to the dealer (got all my money back as they are appreciating) for my current Boxster (997.2 manual).

Two main reasons: 1) Worried about the IMS issues (shared with 986). 2) Although I like automatics, I hated the Tiptronic. No "paddles", always starts in 2nd gear (why?). I believe the PDK is much better, and would gladly have one, as it works similarly to the DSG we have on my wife's VW, and on my previous Audi TT. However I think you will probably pay about £2k premium for PDK which may take it out of your budget. The manual box is a delight, however.

If it were me I'd prioritise getting a 987.2 for long term peace of mind. If you can find a PDK in budget, go for it, but I doubt it. On the other hand, if you go for 986, put aside £5k for the rainy day! (or try to find one that has a Hartech rebuild) But I really wouldn't recommend a tiptronic. At least have a drive of one (and get your wife to drive) to see what you think.

This is obviously a personal point of view based on my own experience and prejudices. IMS issues are relatively uncommon, and no doubt some people like tiptronics.
 
Stretching for a PDK box would be a big bonus I think, but the budget isn't going to hit the £20k mark so I'd certainly be looking at a higher miler, which isn't a big issue for me as we'll be piling the miles on it anyway so maintaining a low mileage car for value reasons isn't an option.
£11k rebuild costs is a certain off-putter Dyllan. The slightly improved practicality of an older 911 (996) soft top is appealing, but for the money it'd be too old and tired for my wife's specifications! That red one does look great doesn't it!
Andrew, thanks for the offer, if you were local it might be worth a visit and a chat, I live in Farnham, Surrey?
 
Unless you've got very young kids, an old 911 isn't more practical. There's even less space in the back seats than a 911 coupe, due to space needed for hood when it's down. So effectively the back seats are just relatively inaccessible boot space. Boot space in Boxster is much better than you might expect.

If I were doing high miles I'd want the peace of mind of a 2nd Gen
 
Phil,

As others have said, a Gen2 PDK car would be the best choice if finances allow. The principal problems with the Gen1 engines are probably over-hyped by internet chatter but, as Dylan has pointed out, bad things can and do happen occasionally, and the rectification costs can be significant. Having said that, the smaller engined (2.7L) Gen1 cars appear to be less troubled by cylinder-related failures and all the later cars featured an upgraded IMS bearing to address bearing failures.

The Gen2 engine has proved to be much more robust owing to the significant redesign (no IMS and a different cylinder block construction process, among other improvements). The "slush pump" Tiptronic transmission has its followers but there's no doubt that even the early PDK transmission available with the Gen2 cars is more appropriate for a sports car.

There are plenty of good cars out there, so good luck trying to find one. As always, buy on condition and a reliable service history from a PC or reputable Porsche Independent.

Jeff
 
Like others, I would recommend going for Gen 2 and PDK if at all possible. The Gen 2 engine doesn't even contain most of the components that caused problems in Gen 1. PDK is so much more pleasant and responsive to drive in auto mode than Tiptronic. I did 80k in my Tiptronic 986 Boxster, which I used as a daily driver. Tiptronic in auto mode (even in 911s) changes up too early, particularly when eg accelerating with the traffic away from roundabouts - having changed up, I would then be in a torque-free zone and have to poke it a bit to keep up with Fiestas and the like! Yes it would go when you really wanted to but this early change up became rather tiresome compared with the much better matching and efficiency that PDK gives. And if you cold start a Tip in very cold and icy conditions, for the first few minutes the highish initial engine idle speed combined with the thick torque converter fluid tends to fight against any desire you may have to go slowly and using the brakes on icy roads, until it all warms up.
 
Some great tips and advice there guy's thank you. I'll be saving the pennies for that Gen2 by the sounds of things, though I'll still be trying to keep it close to £15k so choice may be a bit limited.
No kids, but we do have a small dog to contend with and he's not a fan of the 944 at the moment. Sitting on my lap for a long drive in a boxster is not appealing either, so it won't be a 'holiday' or 'doggy trips' car...
 

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