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Which 996 to buy

sirees01

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Hi all,

I have recently become a Cayenne Turbo owner & this is my first introdiction the the Porsche brand.

I am so pleased with the vehicle I am considering trading in my 03 CL600 Bi-Turbo for a pre-owned 996.
I prefer the look of the 996 to the new 997.

My question is: I know nothing about 911's at all so I am seeking advice on which variant to opt for.
I thoroughly enjoy the performance of the CL600 & I wouldn't want to compromise on power.

What are the pros/cons for different variants of the 996 ?

 
IMO the perfect 996 and 'best buy' is a 6-spd 996 C2 Coupe with a few choice options (PSM, PSE, 18" wheels etc).

Thereafter it depends on your personal preferences:

- Automatic gearbox = tiptronic
- More agressive look = C4S
- Open top = Cabriolet or Targa
- Track use = GT3
- More power = Turbo

You can keep adding to the configuration (and spending more money) until you end up with a 450bhp 996 turbo tiptronic cabriolet!

But remember, with 911s 'less is often more' and nice 3.6 'facelift' models are now in the £45 -50k + bracket. There was a very nice one advertised on this forum very recently that looked to be good value.
 
There are rather a lot of variants, designed to fill every niche and get the maximum number of sales out of one platform for Porsche.

The basic car is a Carrera 2 (C2). This is rear wheel drive coupe and was the first variant to be produced. With 3.4 litres and 300 bhp from '98-'02, then 3.6 litres and 320 bhp till it was replaced by the 997 last autumn.

Then there is the Carrera 4 (C4). This is 4-wheel drive, but otherwise the same as the C2. The 4-wheel drive makes it feel a bit more planted, but it adds weight. You also get less space in the front boot, since the front diff takes up space. Available in 300 and 320 bhp form.

There is a wide body version of the C4, called the C4S. This has the wider wings, 10mm lower suspension and brakes from the turbo. However, it doesnot have any more power. These have been very popular, and C4 sales basically dried up when it came out. It was available for about 2 years, so you won't find any over 3 years old. All have 320 bhp.

All the above can be had in cabriolet form. This adds weight and makes the car less stiff. The roof is soft, although there is a hard top you can put on in the winter if you want.

There is a targa, which has a big moon roof and a back window that opens, making it a but more practical. It is based on the C2, so there is no 4-wd version. I think this came out post facelift, so only available in 320 bhp form.

For all the above cars, there was a factory engine upgrade, which cost about 5 grand I think, that put the power up to 345 bhp. Not many cars had this.


The GT3 has had 2 production runs. The first was quite limited. For the second the cars was built more-or-less to meet demand. The Mk1 has 360 bhp, the Mk2 380bhp.
The mk2 run has more power, but more weight. Performance is about equal I think.
There was a very limited run of the GT3-RS. This was a homologation exercise - Porsche needed to sell a certain number to get some parts qualified for racing usage.
These are mostly for track use, although you can use them on the road. The ride is hard. They come with proper racing bucket seats, which are very supportive bnot so practical for the trip to Sainsbury's.
In racing trim, the GT3-R, GT3-RS and GT3-RSR have been very effective.
The racing versions can only be purchased through Reading and payment is to the factory in Euros. They are very limited and not road legal.

The Turbo has 420 bhp and 560Nm of torque.
There is a factory engine upgrade which a small amount (maybe 5%?) of cars have (option X50) that gives you 450 bhp and 620 Nm.
This is pretty much classed as a supercar, rather than a sports car, like the normally aspirated versions. It is considered by the mags to be one of the best cars in the world.
You get stability control, which does not intervene much, will let you spin the wheels and even slide it a bit.
It's pretty quick and is only available as 4-wd.
It can be endlessly tinkered with (if you have a big enough pile of cash) to give up to 850bhp. As stanard it will do over 190mph, but once played with 210 is quite easy, and 230-240 is possible (but the mods cost as much as the car).

The GT2 had its power upgraded about 18 months ago. It was 460ish, but is now around 480ish.
This is a turbo with a bit more power, rear wheel drive, no electronic stability stuff, racing suspension (no rubber bits), bucket seats and is quite focussed. It's not as a hardcore as the 993 GT2 was, since it is not the basis for racing.
I have read that it is not so easy to drive flat out, and a GT3 will get a similar lap time (and cost you a lot less).
Sales of these are small, 20ish per year.


If you want a no-nonsense value for money version, then a standard C2 is a pretty good choice.
The C4S handles very well, and was Evo's car of the year a few years ago. Some people prefer rear wheel drive, but I think the C4S is a very good car.
The GT3 is the best track car, but is less practical for everyday use.
If you are used to turbo power, I would suggest the Turbo is the best fit if coming from the Merc.

The best thing to do is drive a C2 and a Turbo, then see what you think.
 
Thanks Stuart Martin that was a very very good post & has cleared up all the questions I had.
Many thanks for taking the time to write that post, it educates newbies like me.

I have seen a C4S with 18" Turbo Look II wheels & Aerokit Carrera 4S and it looks a million dollars.
I think I will go & test drive this beauty.
 
Simon,

The C4S is nice but once you have driven a 996 Turbo you will want it's extra power. We had a Porsche Driving experionce with both cars around a test track, much preferred the Turbo, but in fact bought a GT3 as fitted our needs better
 
Turbo II look wheels were standard on the C4S.
These look the same as those on the current turbo (although I don't think they are actually the same, and are not quite as light).

The aerokit is a matter of choice. Note that the front lip juts a bit more, so be careful with kerbs, especially if you park front on.
The standard black plastic lip is cheaper to replace than the painted aerokit one.
Both the rear wing and the front lip have to be fitted (for stability).

Whether you want tiptronic or manual is up to you, but the tiptronic is heavier, has 5 speeds instead of the manuals 6, and is slightly slower. You can't miss gearchanges though and changing down is easy. However, personally I don't think you need to have the car change gear for you, and the gearbox is part of the fun, especially since the shift quality is so good.

Some of the options that were available include include sunroof (not sure you need it), sat nav (would help resale), upgraded stereo (the Porsche upgraded one is OK (PCM) but you may find a Bose equipped car, the standard system is somewhat lacking), Porsche crest embossed on the headrests (I reckon this is essential, but it does not make the car quicker), integrated car phone, instrument dials (these can be standard black or some people went for a different colour), techno wheels, aerokit, engine upgrade (not really necessary for road use), coloured wheel centres (as standard it came with C4S lettered wheel centres), stainless steel kick plates on the door sills, litronic headlights (nice to have), aluminium handbrake and gearlever (lifts the interior a little), rain sensor/auto dimming mirrors, Porsche sports exhaust (sounds fantastic, get a car with this if you can find one), heated seats (nice on a winter's morning), rear parking sensors (not necessary if you're reasonably good at parking).

As standard it was not too badly specc'ed. One of the features of the C4S over the C2 is that there is a full leather interior as standard. (If you get most of the options mentioned above, you'll be close to what I had before I upgraded.)

Don't necessarily take the first car, but see if you can find one with the options you want. The used cars are listed on the Posche webpage and most of the important options are listed against each car.

Check the type of seats. There are sports seats and comfort seats. The sports seats have slightly bigger bolsters, but the easiest way to tell is by the additional little winglets by your shoulders. The comfort ones have electric adjustment, the sports are manual (bar the backrest tilt function).
Some people have also specified cars with rouched leather. Not my cup of tea.
 
sirees01,

i have a black 2004 C4S with aerokit - if you need pics let me know.

i'm toying with buying kn turbo (or range rover biog)
 
Jeremy Clarkson has two 'humorous' approaches to the 911.

Firstly, he pretends that the latest model it is actually the same car that came out in 1963 and he can't tell the difference.

And secondly, he pretends to be completely confused by all the different variants and likes to take the mickey out of owners who are detail-precise about their particular model.
 

I have just joined today & am currently just about to embark on searching for a 2003 (ish) 996. [8D]


I have kinda had my eye on the market for about 6 months... with the new 997 out & i have seen 2nd hand ones of these already, and the new regs do any of you think the second hand 996s will dip in value? I am from yorkshire originally so always looking to save money

i have notice the 993s appreciating

cheers
 
As you have noticed, since the 997 is out and already available 2nd hand, then I would guess most of the price impact on the 996 is already factored in. Prices will fall as the car gets older, also if people decide there are too many of them and the demand drops. But I would not expect a dramatic change at the moment.
 
I have an 03 C4S and an 03 SL55 AMG, and you'll find the 911 much more involving to drive than your CL; you'll need to swap the cogs more readily to compensate for the lower torque that the V12 bi-turbo has in abundance, no problem the gear change is excellent. The options list is very long, much longer than on a CL. Some options are ludicrously expensive (eg aluminium gear lever and hand-brake) and the interior bits and pieces can go four ways - leather, alu, wood and carbon, all interchangeable. You need to decide what options are important and what are not because you will never find a car to your exact spec unless you buy to order. The 911 is much more driver-centric and you won't find the gratuitous use of electronics which can cause so much trouble on Mercedes. As for build quality, on a par, but I find my 911 paintwork is more susceptible to stone chips. The same snotty attitude prevails at both Porsche and Mercedes dealerships.
 
Here's a bit more info from a past post:
http://www.porscheclubgbforum.com/tm.asp?m=94067&mpage=1&key=&#94145
 
I am looking at buying a 996 Turbo for around £70,000, however I have been told a 997 C4S is a better buy longterm as it will hold on to it's value better etc. Any thoughts on this?
 
Sorry John, I meant a 997C2S. I know they are very different cars, however they are telling me the 997 is the one to go for...
 
Unless the mean 997 S.

I think the 997 S will be more desirable than the regular 997, but this may only be until some of the other variants come out.
I expect they will do a C4S, and may pass on the C4 in the 997, since the C4S in the 996 stole all the sales. However, the 997 C4S will be some time nect year, since they have to get the turbo out of the door first.

Backto 996's:
The C4S has the best standard spec and has the wide body look that many people like. I think it will command a price premium.
I think the basic C2 will be a good buy 2nd hand if you do not pay too much. Since these will be the cheapest, they will depreciate the least.

The turbo will always be worth more than the normally aspirated cars, but the price differential will come down over time. The 996TT is not all that rare, so will depreciate as can be seen.
In terms of percentages, I suspect there is not much in it between a C4S and a Turbo, but in absolute terms, the turbo will lose more money since it costs more.

Where the prices will eventually settle is an unknown.
My guess (which could be wildly wrong) is turbos around 45K, C4S around 30-35, C2 25. This is what I reckon a good car will be worth in a 3 years. So buying a turbo for 70K will lead to a 25K loss, a C4S for 55 will lead to a 20K loss, a C2 for 35-40 about 15K loss.
Whether others agree with these figures, we'll see.

If you buy a 997 S now for 60, it will probably lose 20K over the next 3 years.

If you want to have less depreciation go for a MK1 GT3, or a MK2 with a few miles on it.


Then again, do what you are supposed to do and buy the one you like - worry about the money later.
 
Thanks Stuart for your post, it really helps. I think I will go with my gut and get a low mile 996 Turbo as that is the one I really want.
 

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