Indeed. What is/was the current waiting time for one? Be interesting to see what happens to prices
Who will get the last GT4?
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Given it is (and Spyder) no longer on the configurator, who will get the very last GT4
I’ve no idea Ralph, but according to this article, as with the Macan Porsche plan to produce ICE 718s alongside the new Cayman and Boxster BEVs for an as yet undeclared period, so there’s always the possibility that we haven’t yet seen the last of the GT4 and Spyder.
https://www.carscoops.com/2023/03/ice-porsche-718s-will-live-alongside-new-ev-variants-but-for-how-long/
Jeff
https://www.carscoops.com/2023/03/ice-porsche-718s-will-live-alongside-new-ev-variants-but-for-how-long/
Jeff
Oddly both the GT4 and Spyder are still listed on the German and USA configurators
…. and Belgian and Italian but not French….
…. and Belgian and Italian but not French….
Scrounger said:
Yes, I’m aware that we’ve lost them from the configurator Dan and appreciate your points, but the CEO has indicated that ICE production will continue alongside that of the EVs, so there’ll need to be more than just robbing a parts bin for a while. The Macan EV‘s running late and I can’t see it being any different for the 718 replacement twins scheduled currently for 2025, so I’m sure we’ll be seeing 718 production running through 2025 and maybe into 2026.
My post was a bit tongue in cheek, and I agree that it’s unlikely that we’ll be seeing the GT4 and Spyder again, but it’ll be interesting to see what ICE cars will be produced … F4-T, F6, or both?
Jeff
F4Ts and F6s will continue in the Style, S and GTS 4.0 models, plus the GT4RS and the upcoming Spyder RS, until EV comes along. Where are the EV Caymans and Boxsters being built? Osnabruck or Stuttgart?
I think the amount of ICE cars during the overlap will depend on the production capacity of the plant left producing them...
I think the amount of ICE cars during the overlap will depend on the production capacity of the plant left producing them...
Indeed Dave. Even with flexible production, I can’t see how Porsche could run the ICE and EV cars down the same production line … but who knows? ATM Boxsters are built in Stuttgart and Caymans in Osnabrück, the latter being a bit of an outlier facility and maybe better suited to 718 continuation production? I assume that the IC engines are built in Stuttgart, but don’t know if electric motor production, etc. is in-house (requiring space) or outsourced. Too many questions to be answered there! [
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Jeff
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I seem to recall that although Porsche moved production of all Caymans and Boxsters to Stuttgart with the introduction of the 718 Dave, Osnabrück is used for overflow production, so it would make sense to use that plant for the continuation cars even if production numbers will be limited.
Another possible complication for EV production in Stuttgart: I may be wrong, but aren’t 718s and 911s built on the same production line?[]
Whatever, it sounds like a logistical nightmare given that space is very limited in Stuttgart!
Jeff
Edit: https://newsroom.porsche.com/en/2022/products/porsche-718-model-series-overflow-production-osnabrueck-28842.html
Another possible complication for EV production in Stuttgart: I may be wrong, but aren’t 718s and 911s built on the same production line?[
]Whatever, it sounds like a logistical nightmare given that space is very limited in Stuttgart!
Jeff
Edit: https://newsroom.porsche.com/en/2022/products/porsche-718-model-series-overflow-production-osnabrueck-28842.html
They seem to keep ping-ponging between the two facilites, Jeff. My early 2020 GT4 is an Osnabrück car, I know of a later 2020 that's from Stuttgart. It seems a bit odd to pull all sportcar production back to Stuttgart then bounce some of it back to Osnabrück again, but I suppose things have been challenging of late!
You're right in that 718s (including Spyders and GT4s) plus 911s are all built on the main production line, or at least they were when I did the factory tour in late 2019.
I guess the big indicator will be when the Macan EV comes on line. Will they be built at the same factory as the ICE cars or somewhere else?
You're right in that 718s (including Spyders and GT4s) plus 911s are all built on the main production line, or at least they were when I did the factory tour in late 2019.
I guess the big indicator will be when the Macan EV comes on line. Will they be built at the same factory as the ICE cars or somewhere else?
Perhaps it will follow the GT3 sequence and there will be a 718 GT4.2 incorporating some RS parts but with the GT4 engine + 15 hp?
That would be great if it happened, but we're at the limit of the manual gearbox and the engine is already slightly restricted for torque because of it. Any more torque and power and the car would have to be PDK only as I can't see Porsche investing in a new gearbox for what is likely to be a short production run before the Cayman goes EV models only.
I think we're seeing the last of the ICE GT Caymans which is how the GT4RS got signed off IMHO. I think the 981 GT4 was supposed to be the last of the F6 Caymans but due to the reception of the F4Ts in some quarters this ended up not being the case. I think we'll get a fair number of GT4RSs made worldwide, probably more than any other RS product in total, along with the current model lineup (and the upcoming Spyder RS) then we're done for ICE Caymans and Boxsters.
We probably have 3 years of cars to go taking us to the end of MY26?
I think we're seeing the last of the ICE GT Caymans which is how the GT4RS got signed off IMHO. I think the 981 GT4 was supposed to be the last of the F6 Caymans but due to the reception of the F4Ts in some quarters this ended up not being the case. I think we'll get a fair number of GT4RSs made worldwide, probably more than any other RS product in total, along with the current model lineup (and the upcoming Spyder RS) then we're done for ICE Caymans and Boxsters.
We probably have 3 years of cars to go taking us to the end of MY26?
A pity that the prospect of carbon neutral fuels comes a little too late to save the ICE Cayman (and Boxster)...
Dont know who'll get the last one(s), I just hope they get used and don't sit under a dust sheet for 10 years.
Dont know who'll get the last one(s), I just hope they get used and don't sit under a dust sheet for 10 years.
Silversword said:
Don’t hold your breath Eoin. Porsche’s Chilean plant is only producing 130,000 litres of eFuel per year ATM exclusively for in-house use, with a planned 55 million litres by 2026 and 10 times that by 2028 (but not guaranteed!). To put that into perspective, it seems that in 2022 the US alone consumed nearly 370 million gallons of motor gasoline per day!
Unless the major suppliers - BP, Exxon, Shell, etc. - are on-board, I’m afraid that the availability of carbon-neutral fuels to the general public is just a petrolhead pipe-dream … unfortunately!
Jeff
Personally I think the Taycan line will be used to produce the 718 EV. The motor production facility is there so would be silly not to use that line but who knows? As Dave has said, Porsche seem to chop and change facilities depending on demand. My 2020 Cayman was build in Stuttgart and so too was my GTS. I spoke to my salesman a couple of weeks ago and he said that they'd lost a couple of months of production due to moving all 718 production to Osnabrück to allow 911 production to ramp up at Stuttgart.
Re synthetic fuels, at the moment it's way too expensive (expected to be almost 10 euros a litre) to put in your car hence why it's only really used in racing with Porsche using it in the Super Cup series.
Dan
Re synthetic fuels, at the moment it's way too expensive (expected to be almost 10 euros a litre) to put in your car hence why it's only really used in racing with Porsche using it in the Super Cup series.
Dan
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