X51 with Revo Re-map

[okellyt]

A "Friend" has just had his C2S x51 upgraded with a Revo re-map - estimate was circa 405- 410 horses and approx 330lbft of Torque. ie just shy of 289hp/tonne[8|]

Just had a chance to drive it a bit over the last couple of days

Its a complete hoot, the throttle in normal mode is much more repsonsive - like having the sport button om.

With the sports button on the engine response is razor sharp, revs rising and falling quickly with minimal input. [:-]

Pulls well all the way through the rev range, no more flat spots - there is a bit of extra oomph everywhere but where I really noticed it is 5000 - 7500 in 3rd which is now more like a low flying missile than a road car and 4th gear - a few times I planted my foot thought it was in 3rd went to change and realised it was already in 4th

Weather it is any faster we'll have to compare on a track but it feels like it is an extra few tenths quicker in any 20mph increment and noticably quicker to a hundred (private road)

Its not going to trouble a 997tt/GT2 but feels like it could give anything slower a nasty surprise on a UK road

Being used to my car, I found my "friend's" car noticably quicker, better start saving my pennies.

 

[Dylan1]

looking into having mine remapped now its out of warranty-where did youre "friend"have it done tom??
sounds great fun btw[]

 

[okellyt]

As my "friend" lives in the south he went to Paragon Porsche in East Sussex. Basic remap was apparently £699+Vat, swithchable was extra (£250-ish region plus VAT). He had the basic remap and frankly this seems good enough.

"I was told" the engineer came back with a silly grin on his face on the road test and stated "this is a good one".

According to Revo the car gets you 15 -25 horeses (nearer 25 for most) and 17LbFT of Torque

Talking to my OPC apparently Revo and DMs mods use all Porches parameters and are actively supported ie a diagonostic won't show them up [8|] So if you weren't the honest type.......

This of course has me sorely tempted[:-]

 

[Dylan1]

excellent
thanks
tom i have at least one "friend"who is interested

 

[YvesD]

Nice one, I was heading down this route myself before the X51 went.

Great thing about Revo is you can have a trial version of the software for about 4hrs to see wether you want to invest. Marvellous.

By the way, have Porsche jumped on the anti tuning bandwagon yet ? I cant even top up the washer fluid in my BMW 335i without the ECU logging a 'code' for it !

Yves

 

[okellyt]

Yves,

Quite the reverse it would seem - Porsche actively support Rev and DMS re-maps. As such they both use Porsche code and parameters (both stay ithin the targeted limites for the ECUso no warnings), The chipd does not know its been fiddled with - it just looks like a regular ECU update.

Talking to a mate who's an OPC Service manager it doesn't even come up on a diagnostic

The warning there is if you have the re-map, if you agree to Porsche updating the chip, which they are now offering at some services, it'll overwrite the re-map. Then you'd have to have the re-map re-done.[]

 

[okellyt]

Had a chance yestreday for a proper comparison. Down my usual backroad blast with my "Friends" x51 Revo[8|]

Goes like a scalded cat, noticably sharper and quicker in all gears at all revs, with significantly more overtaking grunt in 3rd and 4th. It was comfortably picking up another 10-15mph for the same pedal effort than the stock x51, without me really noticing it.

Therein lies the case for the defence your honor.[:-]

Difference feels as big again as the stock CS to CSx51. Clearly the Powerkit option works well with the Revo Re-Map.[]

Definately going to have to do this to "mine" when the warranty is up, just going to have to watch that speedo much more carefully [8D]

 

[okellyt]

ORIGINAL: rob9974s

That bit about Porsche updating the chip at a service and wiping out the £820 Revo re-map is potentially a bit irritating then.

Do we know what functionality Porsche are updating the chip for during the service? and whether it is a customer option/decision or they will just do it anyway without checking with the customer (as usual) - or even quite the opposite and that it is something that the customer has to be aware of in advance and specifically ask for (also as usual).

On a general point does anyone have info on any automatic (sub-recall) updates happening at 997 services these days? You'd think that Porsche might publish this sort of thing for the benefit of their customers (... er, no, strike that last bit)

Agreed, from talking to Paragon only effected one customre so far with an early 997, was given the option, didn't realise it would effect the re-map.

Any one got any further info?

 

[danofesher]

I'd hope that if there's new firmware available then there'd be a TSB for it. One source of TSB info is the rennlist forum (and I think Richard Hamilton has published the list for 996s?).

 

[YvesD]

ORIGINAL: okellyt

Yves,

Quite the reverse it would seem - Porsche actively support Rev and DMS re-maps. As such they both use Porsche code and parameters (both stay ithin the targeted limites for the ECUso no warnings), The chipd does not know its been fiddled with - it just looks like a regular ECU update.

You sure about that Bro ?

I guess it varies from dealer to dealer but when I respectfully and tactfully approached my supplying OPC to support me in putting Tubi silencers on ( no other mods ) the answer was a resounding NON ! The vehicle will certainly fail Sir and you will be on your own..... How dare you !

All is not rosey in the garden. If BMW can void your warranty for unauthorised 'battery downtime' then Porsche must surely be hot on their heels ?

Yves

 

[okellyt]

ORIGINAL: YvesD

ORIGINAL: okellyt

Yves,

Quite the reverse it would seem - Porsche actively support Rev and DMS re-maps. As such they both use Porsche code and parameters (both stay within the targeted limits for the ECU so no warnings), The chip does not know its been fiddled with - it just looks like a regular ECU update.

You sure about that Bro ?

I guess it varies from dealer to dealer but when I respectfully and tactfully approached my supplying OPC to support me in putting Tubi silencers on ( no other mods ) the answer was a resounding NON ! The vehicle will certainly fail Sir and you will be on your own..... How dare you !

All is not rosey in the garden. If BMW can void your warranty for unauthorised 'battery downtime' then Porsche must surely be hot on their heels ?

Yves

Yves,

I see where you are coming from now. Its a yes and no answer.

Let us differentiate between Porsche AG and the local OPC's

My "friend" had problems with the initial load being optimized as it is a fairly new car, Paragon reverted to Revo who did not have the optimum settings for the particular software sub version. So Revo went to Porsche AG who provided the code, updates and suggested some parameters for an optimized set up.

So Porsche AG, nice guys []

OPC's - a Revo/DMS or other remap invalidates your 2 ear warranty. Yves, you are correct.

However as a service manager at one of the OPC is a mate, we were chatting one day and he indicated that their problem with Revo & DMS is they can't detect them on a diagnostic - 'cause its supported by Porsche AG and uses their parameters. So to "get caught" you have to be silly enough to admit you've had it done.

So OPC's, not so nice []

Clearly if you are that sort of unscrupulous character you'd never admit to having the work done, and if there was a warranty claim around the engine one would remove the remap before returning it to the OPC.

Therein lies my dilemma, the remap not only liberates more power and improved drivablity it remains well within the engines limits minimizing risk of issues that would result in a warranty claim. Having it of course would invalidate the warranty. So while my "firend" is happy with his, I am not so sure I'd do a Revo on mine yet.[8|]