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YAWN WARNING: 964RS ARE UNDERVALUED!

carreraboy

carreraboy

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Well in fear of being another flamed price related thread, this one has actual factual correct and well researched and observed content.

Having seen asking prices of namely NON air-cooled "new" 911 approach and equal that of the legendary 964RS and supposed better 993RS hitting £200k plus (we will see in time who is the Daddy[;)]) the best RennSport of all, the 964RS seems to be lagging behind again, in this crazy World.

This is a regular pattern, 993RS shoots off, then the 964RS plays catch up before the 993RS leaps ahead again, but we have a new horse(s) in the race. Yes a water cooled buck with stick on stripes and those magic words RS. It would seem anything slightly limited edition with the accountants initials is being hyped up!

So the proven 964RS is no longer a two horse race with the worthy 993RS Stable but there are some wasser pumpers in the thoroughbred field, are these real thoroughbreds are just market sentiment non starters ..... a real gamble me thinks .... I would go for the 1992 vintage and leave these modern harvests to mature .... now see 964RS leap forward, great buys at the moment[;)]
 
A good buy as an investment probably , but will you be afraid to use it ?
I say this because i just sold my beloved 964 3.6 turbo fearing to use it properly and
Taking the chance to sell now in case the bubble pops .
 
The bubble is not over inflating on the 964RS LONG WAY TO GO BEFORE THAT ONE BURSTS, my fear would be unproven newbies on the street. The 64RS an absolute bargain compared to the modern offerings ..... hope you got a stinking price for your 3,6 Turbo, shared many RSR parts I hear[;)]
 
I think 3.6 prices are safe, you have to remember it was a low volume car (how many did they make)?
 
[:D][:D]

I did agree with this in 1998, when I bought mine in Germany for less than 20k, with less than 30,000km.

ORIGINAL: Melv

If I'd read this five years ago I may have agreed......[:)]
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My Turbo X88 3.6 sold for £167k . They are rarer than the RS ( and do share some parts )
However without an S or RS moniker they are not as sought after by the monied poseurs ,
Who seem to follow fashion more than anything . I will quote Mark Sumpter who once said to me
That the 3.6 Turbo is a superior car to the 964 RS and should be worth significantly more .
The market still speaks otherwise !

I will feel more comfortable adding a less valuable / project 964 to the 996tt that is a good all rounder

 
I just popped in to see Boxsey and chewed the fat on cars.....

Rightly or wrongly I dont feel good about using mine on track for much longer, I am not the quickest but I am getting quicker and want to push harder - neither of my cars are fit for this pupose, the yellow one is 106,000 km with totally original paint and the ruby CS is 13,200km (not 12km as reported in this months PP :))and therefore I would be a nut to put a lot more km onto it.

Where will values go? I dont know but probably up....the global market for these cars and their restricted supply, over time, pretty much ensures this will happen.....

So, I think I need a track car :)
 
Kevin,
Have you considered a 968 CS ? (Have a guess who has ;). A very different driving experience, but a new challenge to get a lower powered car to keep up with much more powerful metal through fantastic chassis balance. A CS will also still have a bit of investment potential to keep you interested ! If it's a pure track car you're after then I'd have a look at one of the Porsche Championship 968s. A well fettled race-car will be as fast as all but the hottest-shoe 964RS driver......... Put some slicks on it and go bothering GT3s !

Jamie
 

Hi Jamie, nice to hear from you.......the 968CS option is indeed high on the list since "Big Dave" gave me a blast round Ty Croes earlier this year in his purple beast (ahem!) :)
 
If you want to push harder on the track (especially if these are fast tracks), I'd say buy a good replica 964 RSR. The step up from the 964 RS is significant, but very much in the same directions of sensations as the 964 RS (unlike e.g. a GT3 or a 968), just quite a bit further along: 964 RSR = 964 RS * 1.3 (or some other multiplicand, I have changed my view on precisely which one over the years :)

ORIGINAL: kasbridge

I just popped in to see Boxsey and chewed the fat on cars.....

Rightly or wrongly I dont feel good about using mine on track for much longer, I am not the quickest but I am getting quicker and want to push harder - neither of my cars are fit for this pupose, the yellow one is 106,000 km with totally original paint and the ruby CS is 13,200km (not 12km as reported in this months PP :))and therefore I would be a nut to put a lot more km onto it.

Where will values go? I dont know but probably up....the global market for these cars and their restricted supply, over time, pretty much ensures this will happen.....

So, I think I need a track car :)
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ORIGINAL: kasbridge

So, I think I need a track car :)
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......maybe you need a track car about 6 days of the year at most while you are still doing that job of yours , maybe 10 days if you plan it but unlikely. So it does not follow that you have to have 100% of a track car .

....my guess is that if you do get a dedicated track car then one of the RSs will have to go as it will not be used / be surplus to requirements , so take care !

....Boxsey and I will probably develop a strategy for you in our next meeting at the Bull [:D]



 
I dont forsee stopping using mine. But I get your point Kevin, clean low miles car, difficult choice. My car is no 100km and has seen some action, I dont think I'm going to devalue it a lot by putting a few thousand more clicks on it, and its too much fun on track not too!

Kevin, flirting with another race / track car is a good idea, and will take you away from a 911 for while, but you will always come back. :)
 
That was, I'm sorry to say, why I went for the Cayman R and have a GT4 on order ...

The Cayman R has proven to be vastly more reliable that the Gen1 Cayman Race car that I have. And I dump it at a variety of airports when I am travelling ...

At the moment, the "other" car's a BMW i3. It's just the best fun at roundabouts watching the other cars peel away into your rear view mirror --- conservation of linear momentum and all that. Running cost ? 1p per mile.

I agree with John regarding the track car, -- and if you do really lean on them, they are still expensive.

This is the price of trying too hard, getting too fast, --- and just maybe, it ceases to be fun for the slower passenger, irrespective of how well fastened in they are ...

Having fun is everything, racing is not. Unless the name is Hamilton :)



 

ORIGINAL: ChrisW

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This is the price of trying too hard, getting too fast, --- and just maybe, it ceases to be fun for the slower passenger, irrespective of how well fastened in they are ...

Having fun is everything, racing is not. Unless the name is Hamilton :)
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I dont think I've ever been "too fast" [:D], and I think we disagree on this on Chris, Racing is the pinnacle of enjoyment, I love a trape around a trackday as much as the next guy, but I'd rather be racing.

Plus you can race for less than it costs to track an RS, or 964 - if thats what you chose to do. Cars like porsches a big and heavy, they chew brakes and tyres - that costs money. Pick something small and light and you will lap at similar or quicker times for less money.

As always, its about where you get your enjoyment and the choices you make. Kevin has a nice problem on his hands. :)

 
Which is where the Jedi and the Caterham come in.

I did 380 miles bedding in my Cayman race engine this year --- got to the stage where I had decided to lean on it at Donnington --- On Dunlop Direzas, engine warm, a first 1:29+, a second 1:25+ -- and the the crispening exhaust tone turned into a very sinister knocking noise.

No fun ...

As I recall, Caterham race engines are also expensive, but you can expect around 50 hours per re-build at £15k ?

Hugh, what has your experience been ?



 

ORIGINAL: h_____


Pick something small and light and you will lap at similar or quicker times for less money.
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My son´s track toy is a 125 ccm two-stroke six-speed kart - does that qualify, Hugh?[;)]
 
Thinking about it more, maybe I have been unlucky and have chosen unwisely ...

There is no doubt that racing makes you a better driver and I am very pleased that I have done it.

I'm in an uncomfortable place at the moment and I'm also a little too busy.

Choose, so what cars would we put up as good inexpensive prospects ?

968 for sure, but parts are still becoming expensive.

???

:)

 
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