Neil Haughey
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Cheers that website is classic, especially liked the adverts.
£2000 to scrap a good car...madness?
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mr brightside
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Just let me stitch my sides back together.......that's got it, yes i reserve a special kind of hatred for meddling euro-muppets too. I don't know whether it's my stiff british royalist upper lip or whether they're all just bored with running their own lives badly and want to police what the whole of europe does in an equally unsatisfactory and unfathomable manner.
I often wonder who, if anyone, is convinced ideas like the chainsaw ban or the one i started this thread over are actually worth it. Sometimes i think politicians and bureaucratic minions are actually framing exactly as they do in satirical sketches such as 2DTV and Spitting Image.
I often wonder who, if anyone, is convinced ideas like the chainsaw ban or the one i started this thread over are actually worth it. Sometimes i think politicians and bureaucratic minions are actually framing exactly as they do in satirical sketches such as 2DTV and Spitting Image.
Black80XSA
New member
To be clear, its £1k from the government, £1k from the participating car company. You must have owned the car for 12 months, it be taxed (or sorned) in your name at a uk address and have an MOT. It doesn't necessarily have to be a runner by that definition !
So no-one can rush out, buy a banger and get £2k for it - the scheme will be over before anyone buying a banger now has owned it 12 months and can qualify.
I'm sort of interested in all this, my old Golf TDI has served me well for 2 years as a mile muncher up and down Wales - cost me peanuts in that time, but its abit leggy now at 143k miles. Its worth maybe £500.
I can already get £2700 or 26% off a Fiat Grande Punto GP, just by picking up the phone to one or two dealers or brokers. So the scrappage scheme is useless, unless those dealers can juggle the numbers such that they give me £1700 discount, £1000 manufacturer incentive and £1k government incentive- that would then be £3700 off a £10500 car. Trouble is the car dealerships have to do all the disposal paperwork and take the car as a tradein, so they have to dispose of it appropriately too - all extra paperwork, time and cost to the already struggling industry.
With car supermarkets now selling unregistered stock too, such as Mercedes B classes for £12.5k, £6k off new, its no wonder the scrappage scheme is seeing little favour on the forums !
So no-one can rush out, buy a banger and get £2k for it - the scheme will be over before anyone buying a banger now has owned it 12 months and can qualify.
I'm sort of interested in all this, my old Golf TDI has served me well for 2 years as a mile muncher up and down Wales - cost me peanuts in that time, but its abit leggy now at 143k miles. Its worth maybe £500.
I can already get £2700 or 26% off a Fiat Grande Punto GP, just by picking up the phone to one or two dealers or brokers. So the scrappage scheme is useless, unless those dealers can juggle the numbers such that they give me £1700 discount, £1000 manufacturer incentive and £1k government incentive- that would then be £3700 off a £10500 car. Trouble is the car dealerships have to do all the disposal paperwork and take the car as a tradein, so they have to dispose of it appropriately too - all extra paperwork, time and cost to the already struggling industry.
With car supermarkets now selling unregistered stock too, such as Mercedes B classes for £12.5k, £6k off new, its no wonder the scrappage scheme is seeing little favour on the forums !
And look a little deeper,
Fuel duty will increase by 2p per litre in September and then by 1p a
litre above indexation each April for the next four years.
[AND it will be wasted on...]
* Extra £1 billion to help climate change measures
* £525 million new funds and support for offshore wind projects.
* Car industry scrappage scheme of £2,000 for cars over 10-years-old from
next month to March 2010
wonder how many more will be employed by the taxpayer to run the schemes
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Fuel duty will increase by 2p per litre in September and then by 1p a
litre above indexation each April for the next four years.
[AND it will be wasted on...]
* Extra £1 billion to help climate change measures
* £525 million new funds and support for offshore wind projects.
* Car industry scrappage scheme of £2,000 for cars over 10-years-old from
next month to March 2010
wonder how many more will be employed by the taxpayer to run the schemes
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Peter Empson
PCGB Member
mikead
New member
This legislation is unlikely to have a great inpact on reducing the number of 'classics' owned by enthusiasts. This type of owner is unlikely to trade up to a new vehicle at the expense of his classic. There are indeed some interesting vehicles being scrapped through the scheme, but I am willing to bet that many of these will require a minimum of £2000 spending on them to get them through the next MOT.
What this incentive will do however, is substancially reduce the price of second hand vehicles once these (new) vehicles come back onto the market, as last owners will be willing to to take up to £2000 off the price they would have normally been expected to ask - and still not be out of pocket. This will obviously affect everyone with a car to sell - classic or otherwise!!
What this incentive will do however, is substancially reduce the price of second hand vehicles once these (new) vehicles come back onto the market, as last owners will be willing to to take up to £2000 off the price they would have normally been expected to ask - and still not be out of pocket. This will obviously affect everyone with a car to sell - classic or otherwise!!
Peter Empson
PCGB Member
I certainly hope that is the case, but every time a classic is scrapped it's the destruction of some parts that in all likelihood could have been used to keep another car running affordably that angers me the most.
mikead
New member
Peter. These cars must receive a Certificate of Destruction from the facility that accepts them. This removes them as an 'active' vehicle from the DVLA database and the vehicle must never re-appear on the road as a complete car. They can however be broken for parts should the scrapyard so wish. Once the vehicle has been stripped of saleable parts the shell must be crushed.
Peter Empson
PCGB Member
That's good news then, all the references I'd seen inferred that the car had to be crushed, I hadn't realised they could be stripped first.
David Hooper
New member
In reply to the first post, yes this is madness.
From our angle, classic loving DIY - mainly - enthusiastic drivers it's a shame if anything a bit classic gets scrapped because with have an affininty with that older car driving, fixing, oil leaking, reminds us of our youth type of ethos.
I would hazard a guess our other car is an older none classic runabout gasping along on a shoestring so the money goes towards......you get the drift.
What we aren't thinking about is the none classic 10 year old cars that are being scrapped.
The scrappage scheme set up is appealing to a particular age group in society. The older and retired people who have a little money are trading in their cars at quite a rate and why not?
They have savings - sorry, had savings - that are now earning no interest, grandchildren so badly educated and ill mannered they don't want to give or leave them any of their hard earned so why not spend it on a new car?
The sad thing is, their old car is not a 150k miles heap of junk or a higher mileage classic but usually a low mileage well kept, perfect little runner for the first time driver or a hard working low income member of society who cannot afford a new car even if it's only £4995.
In the last few weeks a friend of mine who works at a low priced Japanese retailers runnning two dealerships parts & service departments has seen a 50k miles Volvo estate on a V, a 28k mile Clio on a T, a 23k mile Micra on a T etc, etc -the list really does go on - go to the scrappers.
The saddest situation was the guy who bought his Mondeo in for the MOT a few weeks ago. Try as my friend could the old thing would not get through the MOT. Spending the best part of £800 just to make it last another year was crackers. The guy had bought it trade from them a few years before, lived local to the garage and needed a car. They put him in front of the sales guys but he just hadn't got the money.
That same day the garage had a mint 98R Escort on 52k miles with nearly a years ticket on it come in part ex. Worth a few hundred quid. They couldn't sell it him because it had got to be scrapped.
He told me that he, the mechanics and the sales guys stood outside and shook their heads in despair as the lorry turned up, banged a great big chain through the windows and hoisted it onto the back of the truck.
Next time you need a cheap decent runner for your son/daughter/neice/nephew/wife/father/mother but all you can find is 150k mile crap thats not been scrapped 'cos the person who owned it can't afford a new car at any price or you can't find any older cheaper cars becuase the person who owns that 150k heap is hanging on to it 'cos they are still unable to afford anything else, you'll know why.
Next time you go down into the village and that great local mechanic in the little garage has gone you'll also know why. No older cars to work on. Forecourt empty? No older trade part ex's to sell.
How is this helping anyone except the manufacturers clear backed up stock that is already built? It may save a few jobs here in foreign owned car plants, but is sales of cars already built going to make that much difference?
There is a lot more ways the used car trade is being affected by this scheme. The used car trade that employs thousands of people and business's in this country, not over the other side of the world.
I was going to finish by calling the Government lots of names but lets keep politics off the PCGB forum[][][][][][][][][][][][][][]
Crikey, having your 50th birthday does make you grumpy[&:]
Cheers
Dave
From our angle, classic loving DIY - mainly - enthusiastic drivers it's a shame if anything a bit classic gets scrapped because with have an affininty with that older car driving, fixing, oil leaking, reminds us of our youth type of ethos.
I would hazard a guess our other car is an older none classic runabout gasping along on a shoestring so the money goes towards......you get the drift.
What we aren't thinking about is the none classic 10 year old cars that are being scrapped.
The scrappage scheme set up is appealing to a particular age group in society. The older and retired people who have a little money are trading in their cars at quite a rate and why not?
They have savings - sorry, had savings - that are now earning no interest, grandchildren so badly educated and ill mannered they don't want to give or leave them any of their hard earned so why not spend it on a new car?
The sad thing is, their old car is not a 150k miles heap of junk or a higher mileage classic but usually a low mileage well kept, perfect little runner for the first time driver or a hard working low income member of society who cannot afford a new car even if it's only £4995.
In the last few weeks a friend of mine who works at a low priced Japanese retailers runnning two dealerships parts & service departments has seen a 50k miles Volvo estate on a V, a 28k mile Clio on a T, a 23k mile Micra on a T etc, etc -the list really does go on - go to the scrappers.
The saddest situation was the guy who bought his Mondeo in for the MOT a few weeks ago. Try as my friend could the old thing would not get through the MOT. Spending the best part of £800 just to make it last another year was crackers. The guy had bought it trade from them a few years before, lived local to the garage and needed a car. They put him in front of the sales guys but he just hadn't got the money.
That same day the garage had a mint 98R Escort on 52k miles with nearly a years ticket on it come in part ex. Worth a few hundred quid. They couldn't sell it him because it had got to be scrapped.
He told me that he, the mechanics and the sales guys stood outside and shook their heads in despair as the lorry turned up, banged a great big chain through the windows and hoisted it onto the back of the truck.
Next time you need a cheap decent runner for your son/daughter/neice/nephew/wife/father/mother but all you can find is 150k mile crap thats not been scrapped 'cos the person who owned it can't afford a new car at any price or you can't find any older cheaper cars becuase the person who owns that 150k heap is hanging on to it 'cos they are still unable to afford anything else, you'll know why.
Next time you go down into the village and that great local mechanic in the little garage has gone you'll also know why. No older cars to work on. Forecourt empty? No older trade part ex's to sell.
How is this helping anyone except the manufacturers clear backed up stock that is already built? It may save a few jobs here in foreign owned car plants, but is sales of cars already built going to make that much difference?
There is a lot more ways the used car trade is being affected by this scheme. The used car trade that employs thousands of people and business's in this country, not over the other side of the world.
I was going to finish by calling the Government lots of names but lets keep politics off the PCGB forum[
][][][][][][][][][][][][][]Crikey, having your 50th birthday does make you grumpy[&:]
Cheers
Dave
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