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Diver944

Diver944

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I've just noticed that Barry Hart has updated his 3L build thread on Pistonheads:

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f=48&t=766383&mid=8553&nmt=300bhp, 350lbs feet torque 944 3 litre turbo

Looks like he is leaving his original 3L Turbo as it is and has now made some Nikasil liners to turn a 2.5 into a 3L block, then he is fitting a 16v 968 head. It will have two radiators down the side to leave space for a large central intercooler and he is also looking at the intake and exhaust manifolds, turbocharger and engine management.

Could this be the first UK 944T to break 500bhp? [:eek:]
 
A 968 16v head wont fit onto a 2.5l block, Shirley? For that to work he'd need to sleeve-up a 944S engine (or a 951 block with a 944S head)..... You could do this with a 2.7l/3.0l block, but thats already off sufficiently wide bore: so he'd end up with a 3.2l engine, or thereabout, if he used the S2/968 crankshaft.

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ORIGINAL: Diver944

I've just noticed that Barry Hart has updated his 3L build thread on Pistonheads:

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f=48&t=766383&mid=8553&nmt=300bhp, 350lbs feet torque 944 3 litre turbo

Looks like he is leaving his original 3L Turbo as it is and has now made some Nikasil liners to turn a 2.5 into a 3L block, then he is fitting a 16v 968 head. It will have two radiators down the side to leave space for a large central intercooler and he is also looking at the intake and exhaust manifolds, turbocharger and engine management.

Could this be the first UK 944T to break 500bhp? [:eek:]
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Hi there,

Thanks for the heads up Paul. I have been thinking similar cooling solution for my 968. Any idea what kind of radiators he's going to use? I read through the whole thread but didn't see any info about the cooling system. Stock water pump will hopefully be up to the task?
 
Electric water pumps are an option, although Id always be worried that it might fail (and removal of the original pump doesnt look easy to me either)...
 
Finally people are talking about pushing the envelope again. There's been a bit of a lull lately in the UK and its been a crying shame. Some superb input on there from Chris White too. The man is one of those legends of the breed that I've just never come across somehow. I'll have to start paying a lot more attention to his work.

Regards,

Ben

p.s. I'll say it here rather than there because I don't wan't to offend the chap but who was it who built a batch of 3.0 engines in the US some years ago and they all blew up? I thought that was Chris White but I must have got confused? Maybe he was the guy that started helping people to do it properly?I'm sure I remember his name from those threads.
 
Are we likely to see any LS1/LS2 conversions over here. I guess a lot of you guys would consider it a travesty. I kind of do but I also think it would make an extremely fast and reliable motor. You can get a turn key 5.7 litre 400hp LS2 for 7k. I've hear reports of 27mpg too.
 
We have done a mock up which is Ls2 (6.0 Litre) into 944, with a/c and RHD. The front end of the engine was dressed, it all fitted.

Currently on the back burner as we have too much else to do!
 

ORIGINAL: 944 man

A 968 16v head wont fit onto a 2.5l block, Shirley?
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I only know what he wrote on that Pistonheads post, but he did say that they have modified the block to fit the 968 head (whereas most other places modify the head to fit the block)
 
LS2 is something I could be quite interested in hearing more about ... andye, who are you (in that you said you had one mocked up)?

27mpg is not that far off what I am getting from a stock S2 as it is.


Oli.
 

ORIGINAL: zcacogp

... andye, who are you (in that you said you had one mocked up)?
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Andye is Andy Everett from Promax near Milton Keynes. Feel free to talk further about the LS conversions as a lot of people have interest and I don't think its blatant advertising. I think more would have been done by now using the supposed 'off the shelf' kits if they weren't so focused for a LHD installation. I believe our RHD cars create a number of problemettes
 
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Are we likely to see any LS1/LS2 conversions over here. I guess a lot of you guys would consider it a travesty. I kind of do but I also think it would make an extremely fast and reliable motor. You can get a turn key 5.7 litre 400hp LS2 for 7k. I've hear reports of 27mpg too.
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My personal issue with that (in the lux) is more the choice of engine than the idea. I love sleeper cars with impressive engines under the bonnet but the LS engines all just sound too lazy for a sports car. Even the Le Mans racers burble past sounding like they're cruising down to the shops. I likesports cars to sound like they're giving it everything they've got. Like a caterham R500 it sounds like it is doing everything to get the car down the road.

I think putting a lazy burbling V8 into the 944 spoils the nature of the car. If it was a tiny light weight fast revving V8 I'd be all for it:)
 
ORIGINAL: zcacogp

LS2 is something I could be quite interested in hearing more about ... andye, who are you (in that you said you had one mocked up)?

27mpg is not that far off what I am getting from a stock S2 as it is.


Oli.
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I almost went down this route via Promax when my original car had its engine issues, but in the end plumped for a new car. Still sort of regret it in someways. Have seen the LS2 that Andy has got "mocked up" and it looks fantastic (damn its giving me ideas again !)
 
ORIGINAL: DivineE

I think putting a lazy burbling V8 into the 944 spoils the nature of the car. If it was a tiny light weight fast revving V8 I'd be all for it:)
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I do see your point. Could use a rover v8 block as a basis. No shortage of them about and its been done a few times, I wonder if there would be space for turbo's!
 
I certainly don't think this one sounds lazy [8D]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_TNNrX_Mvo

and its for sale -

http://www.tonygarcia.org/944V8/

 
That car was certainly my inspiration for the conversion. Theres a fair few videos of it racing round various tracks in the states.
 

ORIGINAL: andye

We have done a mock up which is Ls2 (6.0 Litre) into 944, with a/c and RHD. The front end of the engine was dressed, it all fitted.

Currently on the back burner as we have too much else to do!
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Andy - how is your 924/944 hybrid car going? It was a naked freshly painted shell when I saw it with the GTS rear wing extensions. One of those with a v8 in it might be just the ticket to get me back into a 944 sooner rather than later!
 
Was seriously considering an Audi V6 Turbo, I believe there is a good chance it will bolt up to a 924 torque tube. However now leaning back towards the original engine again, do like the V8 soundtrack though,
Decisions decisions :)

Tony
 
Go LS2 Tony, you know you want too [8D]. All this could be yours!

ls2_dyno.jpg
 
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