2.7 rs 1973

[Nick Moss]

Private importers now pay a flat £50 duty. Traders pay 10% [8|]

 

[Alan Woods]

Alan, that appears to be #0726 for sale at Gregor Fisken.

'Spotted Nick. Sorry was not fully awake yet obviously [&:] Good job I didnt link the picture as well (I tried to!). Wasn't expecting them to have more than one I guess..

 

[Guest]

so if i find a swiss car, as there is a stunning one with hisotry on eleven parts website (thanks for that kernal of invaluable info!!!) do i or don't i have to pay full 17.5%/ thanks all!!!

 

[Nick Moss]

To import a car from outside the EU (Switzerland) into the UK will cost you 17,5%. It may be possible to import it into another country within the EU that has a lower rate, possibly Holland.

 

[Guest]

yikes. know of any proper cars with history around in lhd? thanks so much kenny

 

[210bhp]

I have an Italian delivered RS and providing you have a few bits of info it is possible to track all the Italian details with the exception of service history unless some of the previous owners still hold it. It took me two years to research my car but I now have every chronological owner from day one including place and date of delivery/first registration and lots more. This does not tell you about accidents or restoration or replacement parts or racing history. This is a different issue and you need to crawl all over the car to satisfy yourself what you have got (or about to buy). To know what to look for is the trick and you have to do mega reasearch to be happy you have a good car. Not all traders know the details which make an RS a genuine example. There are some of course who do know but it is not necessarily the person who is selling the car.

Regards
Mike

 

[Guest]

have you seen fisken italian car? thanks kenny

 

[210bhp]

No I'm sorry I have not seen it in person. Pictures tell you very little. There are hundreds of small details you have to check in the flesh to be sure it's a good example. I used three basic lists;

General details........is it numbers matching (and that is easy to fabricate these days) and original or restored
{there are three examples of chassis number 406 in the world right now...who's got the real one?}

Detail list......Provenance,history etc (covers a lot of info)

Secret details.........the little things that prove you have the genuine article.

You can learn everything by research but it takes a long time. Alternatively you can speak to the guys who do



Regards
Mike

 

[Alex Postan]

These last posts show the difference between collectors and drivers.[]

 

[Guest]

why do you feel compelled to point such a phenomenon out? not too secure i suppose.

 

[oliver]

Have you seen Peter Ratcliffe's car on PH (#1115)?

Fabulous history and provenance. Don't know the price.

And 'collectors' are also 'drivers'[]

 

[210bhp]

ORIGINAL: Alex Postan

These last posts perfectly show the difference between collectors and drivers.[]

I consider myself a driver. My RS is used daily in good weather. There is no point in buying a car like this without enjoying it as it was meant to be. The posts above were meant to help another find that enjoyment by finding the right car. I waited a long time (20 years searching and saving) for the right car. Nothing wrong with doing your homework if it's something you've always wanted. If I were a collector/investor I would have sold it by now.

Regards
Mike

 

[38F3E1]

It's not about drivers or collectors, it's about money. Would you really like to pay 80K or more for a car and then find out it's only worth 30K? That's that's the sort of loss you would suffer if you bought a car that is not what it seems. 50K or more is a lot of money to throw away from a lack of research. Buying an RS is a serious undertaking and you need to do your research in detail or employ somebody who does to manage the search and purchase for you.

Ian.

 

[Alex Postan]

I am not sure I understand your point, can you elucidate?
I know that even though the constituent parts of my 911 did not all leave the factory at the same time, the fortuitous assembly that I have owned for the last 18 years has been inspected by the FIA representative and it has been granted certification that it complies with the homologated technical specification of a 2.7 RS. That allows me to take part in the competitions that require it and also clearly defines and records its identity so that when I am dead and gone, nobody could pass it off as one of the 1550 original cars.
I have raced it, commuted 140 miles a day in it, sprinted it and have even won an International rally in it. The most enjoyable car that I have ever owned.
I hope we are all lucky enough to enjoy our cars in the ways we want, collector or driver!

 

[jamescharnley]

Alex, I think the point is if someone wants to buy a genuine Carrera RS, they want to make sure it is a genuine RS and not a car that is being passed off as genuine.

This is not an argument over genuine / recreation cars from a drivers / fun point of view. Its about making sure you're not getting ripped off by a con-man.

 

[38F3E1]

Yes that was was my point.

Ian.

 

[Guest]

in the end, to each his own. in my case i am a part time driver (in the way of track time/occasional road use) but also a collector; and, as previously indicated in various posts, if you spend money for something you want what you pay for. not to be duped. i am in art business and things are enjoyed with an eye to long term appreciation. that is not a crime either.

 

[Alex Postan]

Yes James, I understand the point entirely.
I often ask myslef would I want to sell ERL 369K and another car to buy a "real" one. Mine is worth something aroung £45,000 and a "real" one could be over £150,000. So I would be paying over £100,000 to be able to answer yes to the question "is it a real one?" Would you?
I have no doubt that if I had bought an equivalent of my car that was adopting a false identity and I had paid the silly price, then I would be knocking at the door of Mr Plod.
I'll keep the ERL[]