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If it is a 2.7 then it is an eight calve, there is no question about that. To all intents and purposes a 1989 model year car is the same as the 2.5l from 1987 & 1988. The only practical difference is that the engine shares its block with the S2 and 968: the cylinder head is of an 8v design though, and outwardly similar to preceding 8v heads. In every other practical respect the car is identical the the 1988 2479cc model that preceded it.
 
I'm sure you can tell from the above but just to highlight. The S2 is a more valuable model, the 2.7 is still the base model (lux) just one of the last ones. Don't pay more than lux money for it. Also 944's don't like sitting around, they keep better if used. Other than that it should be fine.

Where abouts are yo in the world? Maybe a local 944 enthusiast would accompany you on a visit to help check? If its near Northampton I'd be happy to go with and offer advice?
 
Thanks,

I am based in Surrey but the car is in Tamworth (Midlands) if anyone in tamworth area wants to to earn a few quid drop me a PM

The guy is looking for £900, is that reasonable for a 2.7lux with later bumpers 1989, been stood for 2 years (outside in a fairly sheltered place), but engine started about 12 months ago.. with 141k on the clock

Will need minimum


Major service
Brakes sorting out
Poss exhaust

A proper clean and mouldy interior sorting out..

Had budgeted about £1000 for the work, parts etc.. Am i dreaming or is this possible..
 
Unless you particularly want a non-runner and enjoy bringing cars back from the dead, I would suggest that your £1900 should give you a good chance of getting a decent Lux that is already on the road and not mouldy. Maybe a better bet ?
 
Does it start? If so his value for the car seems perfectly reasonable but his valuation of what it would cost to put right is erm.. optimistic! It depends a lot on how much you can do yourself but things I had trouble with on a 944 I bought with no mot were..

Handbrake - cables and drum internals rusted and seised, not cheap parts say £300min plus £300min labour if you cant do it yourself because it goes behind EVERYTING and I seem to remember it was about 4-6hours labour with getting all the rusty bolts loose. The mechanism in the drums WILL be seised or well on the way.

Rusted cills etc - will need inspection but mine had to be cut out and fresh metal added in to pass the MOT because of their proximity to the seat belt fixing point allow £200min. ALSO check hard around the number plate and in the rear boot wells behind the rear wheels. Mine was ok but these are areas for rust and not easy or cheap to fix! Also if its been messed with to fit later bodywork there may be other areas of rust to look for. Be careful.

Brakes - I'm pretty sure that the 2.7 lux still uses sliding calipers like the 2.5 lux if so lucky you! These are far less problematic and much cheaper to fix. Allow £400-500 for disks, pads and fluid plus labour if you cant do it of another say £300.

Wipers - expect to have to do something. Mine luckily only needed a new relay (£10), new hoses for the washer jets and the normal fix to the ball joint (which is free and easy to do)

Headlights - do they work on dip and main beam properly? Check hard because the wiring is crap and breaks mine needed patching in with new wire where it bends. Also the earth point rusts to buggery and on mine needed cleaning up with acid and wire wool. Again cheap so long as the mechanism works ok.

ARB's and bushes generally - expect to replace a few bits here. Varies car to car but there'll be something failed if its been sitting around. Allow £200-400

Tires - may seem minor but its still a big cost! I paid about £600 for the 4 new ones required on the one I bought (but that was a turbo)

Rubber seals - like the boot, doors and roof one will be worn/perished but don't go to Porsche. Buy standard door seal by the meter from somewhere like halfords and it'll cost you very little allow £40

Service - you'll almost definately need a set of HT leads as well as plugs maybe a rotor arm and obviously an oil change (I recommend mobil 1 15/50. Also given its situation you'd really need to do the belts. Get the parts yourself and find a good local its a simple car and doesn't need anyone special to do this kind of work. Allow £500 for this lot of £300 if you do the work yourself.

Steering - the power steering hoses will be leaking.. don't worry about that just put a pot under the fluid tank remove the hose and take the rusted jubilee clip off. Cut the first 10mm or so off the hose, clean the whole lot up and re fit tightly with a fresh clip. So long as the pumps not leaking it'll be fine. Allow £10 inc fluid.

Basically with a couple of unforseens (like maybe a cracked radiator which is a weak point, clutch cylinder, leaking hose, failed temperature sensor, failed relay) which I've had on the two cheaper 944's I've bought your probably looking at more like £2000 over the first 3 months of ownership. I hate saying it because I would really really hate to put you off buying a car you'll NEVER regret owning but you've got to know the truth of it's cost because it just WILL be that one way or another.

All I can say to finish is if the engine is ok and the basic mechanicals aren't too worn, once you've got it up to scratch it won't let you down. These cars are REALLY built to last and are fantastic to own and drive. I can't tell you enough how much you need one of these in your life. It's no more expensive to keep a good Porsche running than a mk2 Golf. You've just got to get it up to scratch.
 
p.s. the man above is right. This probably will be more expensive but I like saving cars and its nice to know its been done. You could pay £2000 and find after buying it another £1000 that needs spending.

p.p.s. If it a weekend I could probably help Tamworth isn't too far and I wouldn't want paying. I'm not an expert though.. just an owner who's had a few and seen a fair bit of what can go wrong.
 
Ouch..... there is a fair bit then that would need to be sorted out then due to it having been standing, my theory was that if it was really bad and too expensive to put right i would break it and recoupe the purchase outlay that way....

I am no stranger to projects having had a handfull of beetles and campers but i really wanted a quick turnaround on one of these so i can sell my van and use it for a daily... (and have some fun)....

Perhaps there maybe better options out there.., not sure i want my first porsche to be a bad experience

One thing that is drawing me to this car is the fact that it has a later front bumper on it and IMHO looks more sexy.., is this an easy to do job if i bought a pre 89 car? are the bumpers available 2nd hand ? or is this an expensive conversion?

I need to decide how much work i want to put into this i suppose.. Maybe i am better waiting a while and getting a bigger budget, but am not looking for a minter as i carry alot of crap around wheels etc.. by the way can you get a set of wheels in the back with the seat folded forward?

I would like to say thanks to those who have taken time to offer advice and made me aware of the pitfalls, not always what you want to here but better to know these things upfront

Regards Jim

I will still post up the pics anyway once recieved
 
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p.s. the man above is right. This probably will be more expensive but I like saving cars and its nice to know its been done. You could pay £2000 and find after buying it another £1000 that needs spending.

p.p.s. If it a weekend I could probably help Tamworth isn't too far and I wouldn't want paying. I'm not an expert though.. just an owner who's had a few and seen a fair bit of what can go wrong.

Thanks for the offer , it would be a weekend, probably early sat or sunday morning to miss traffic.. I will get the pics and more info first as i don't want to strike it off just yet. will pm you when i know more..

Thanks Jim
 
One thing that is drawing me to this car is the fact that it has a later front bumper on it and IMHO looks more sexy.., is this an easy to do job if i bought a pre 89 car? are the bumpers available 2nd hand ? or is this an expensive conversion?

Wings are different, so the later front won't just bolt on. Conversions are available, but THB if you want the front end off an S2 buy one - it'll probably work out cheaper and be more desireable than a Lux with an aftermarket front. [8|]
 
If its your first venture into 944 ownership and you want fun and a car to jump ínto and drive I would say leave this one alone.

A car that has just stood for 2 years will need lots and lots doing to ít in terms of time and expense!!

Standing rather than driving "kills" any car really! To an extent.

If its a really big fun project you want then maybe go for it and enjoy!
 

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.  by the way can you get a set of wheels in the back with the seat folded forward? 

You certainly can. While the load area is pretty shallow its quite a decent area (especially with the seats folded) and you can get a remarkble amount in the back of these cars if needs be.
 
Look out for an S2 Jim.

I wanted a 944 and was intrested in a Turbo or an S2. The guys here helped a lot. I drove a couple of Turbo's and they are quick - when the turbo spooled up. They are VERY lerthagic at low revs. The S2 on the otherhand has very good torque throughout the rev-range (this is why both models ran side-by-side).

I settled for the S2 as I wanted an 'everyday' car - and I always knew that if I spent a grand less on a Lux, I would eventually change for an S2 - so why not get one to start with? So I did! Then got a better one a year later...
 
Has anyone mentioned that a Turbo nose on a normally aspirated 944 usually means accident damage? Not always of course, but in most cases. When they became available GRP parts became the frequent option of choice too...
 
Well once again thanks for the advice, i have decided to pass on this one as i do not want to get into a massive project expense, i am thinking that i will save some more cash and keep a look out for an S2 model..

To help the funds along i do have a couple of sets of wheels to suit an early 944 if anyone is interested, as i will be getting a later car they are for sale

Cup 1 reps 17 x 7.5 et 23 and 17 x 9 et 15 £275 and some 15" BBS Mahles 15 x 7 et 23 £275

PM me if your interested

Cheers Jim
 
Honestly. I think that was probably a wise move! Don't buy an S2 till you've driven a turbo though. Its a love hate thing. Some people would never own a turbo, I'd never own an S2.
 
Def would not rule out a turbo will all come down to budget in the new year, hopefully some bargains out there.. who knows i may even get a S1 if the right car comes up...
 
Like others I have owned a 2.5lux, s2 and turbo and whilst i have kept with the turbo the s2 would have been the wise choice. The turbo though gives you so much more potential to modify but also huge cost. If your going for a budget every day driver that you can take for the odd track day with just brake pad changes go for the S2, (then buy a turbo).
 
An S2 of course - the best normally aspirated version! Having only had one 944 I must confess my vote is biased and not based a lot of experience [8|]

I must confess that reading about the joys of turbo ownership have me craving more power. I also must confess that going through the shop manuals for repair procedures indicate (to me) that their isn't THAT much difference between working on the various models. I confess that I don't have hands on engine experience (yet) but it seems to me that working on a turbo doesn't require any more arcane knowledge (and possibly fewer special tools) than timing the cams on a 16v engine.

I'm looking forward to other responses.
 

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