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944 CUP CAR Needed September

You could say that Simon, it is the same car. Jim, don't beat yourself up about not buying it, I don't any owner right now could find themselves loosing it without notice if some frenchman turns up and decides he wants it back, as the car did not have any paper trail of legal attempts to contact the owner buy the garage that sold it eons ago to the horder, so there is no way of saying it was legally his, or that anyone had followed any kind of process to contact the owner, warn the owner, establish market value and indemnify any future owner from a claim with a one off insurance policy... its a minefield.. I have had a couple of cars abandoned on me and it is a nightmare to deal with.
 
Interesting to see an '86 Cup car with a french registration plate, as asarus mentioned to me more than once it was not possible to get an '86 car to be homologated for road use in France... or maybe this one just got its plates before the rules changed? I don't know.
 
ORIGINAL: 944 man Jim, did this car end up being touted around a couple of years ago, by a bit of a wally?
I believe it's the same car - I only met the guy once and he seemed OK, but the stories others tell are a bit tall. I remember seeing a write up of it in one of the magazines, but by that time it was missing some of its Cup bits.
ORIGINAL: Indi9xx Jim, don't beat yourself up about not buying it
Yes, but...
 
I believe it's the same car - I only met the guy once and he seemed OK, but the stories others tell are a bit tall
I was contacted by him to try to get Porsche AG to restore their approval in some way. As I remember, the story was it had been cut in half ahead of the bulkhead in an accident, which does add up with Jon's comments about it not having the original engine, or any of the engine-bay cup car bits. I think they considered that particular chassis number damaged beyond repair, so it wouldn't appear as a genuine turbo cup if you tried to get proper provenance for it. Without official Porsche acknowledgement it was once a turbo cup, I guess it becomes just a crash-repaired 944 turbo with mis-matched numbers? I'll never forget the whole line-up at Silverstone that year, with every 944 sporting "Cup" decals supplied by Rick Cannell. It would have been a genuinely interesting car if the owner hadn't insisted it was 500 bhp with the unique chip, in the face of every argument!
 
I do not remember every being told it was cut in half or the whole front end replaced, but who knows. When I first viewed the car with Jim, it seemed to have pretty original looking chassis rails and inner wings, none of it looked to have been replaced, or fresh paint in there, although, it looked like body repairs had been done but not completed. I seem to remember the front and rear bumpers had not been fitted, along with the badge panel, these parts might have been hung, but not bolted up, and possibly one front wing had been replaced.. I just remember some of these panels being white for some reason, but it was a long time ago. I checked the chassis numbers and the engine numbers to see if it was original, and the engine came back as a M44.52, but also visually it did not have a turbo cup intake manifold or sump either. It did have its original bucket seats, matters cage, cut outs in the centre console etc, but seemed more of a comfort spec, as it had carpets, full door cards but manual window winders. But for the life of me, I do not remember seeing any evidence of the car being chopped, even just the front chassis legs. The interesting thing is where it was found... There were no other Porsche there, the guy generally had the horn for british unusual cars, such as mini coopers, rileys and mostly 70's and earlier cars, including a couple of interesting prototype cars for sports versions of cars, such as (from memory) a Hillman Avenger Tiger (or something like that) prototype, which I remember googling when I got home and it matched up with photos on forums where everyone seemed to be wondering where the hell it was. But the 944 Turbo Cup in there stood out like a sore thumb and not the kind of car he would have gone looking for. Indeed I even think the person that bought it from the horder traded him an MGB to get it. So it makes you wonder why and how he got it.. He said it was a bodyshop who had stored it since the owner went AWOL, but it must have been a local one for him to come across it, and it must have been cheap for him to buy it when it did not match his collection which it sat in for years... I even thought this was odd at the time. I would say that I would get in touch with the guy who bought it, but there seems to be some odd stories knocking about regarding things he has said to other people, so I suspect that some of what he might say about its history that he found may well not be gospel. I also seem to remember it was not on its original wheels either.
 
ORIGINAL: TTM Interesting to see an '86 Cup car with a french registration plate, as asarus mentioned to me more than once it was not possible to get an '86 car to be homologated for road use in France... or maybe this one just got its plates before the rules changed? I don't know.
Interesting, road registering Cup Cars I believe is impossible in some Euro States, here in GB easier.
 
ORIGINAL: TTM Interesting to see an '86 Cup car with a french registration plate, as asarus mentioned to me more than once it was not possible to get an '86 car to be homologated for road use in France... or maybe this one just got its plates before the rules changed? I don't know.
I will check the photos of the car I have from when I visited it with Jim and check, but I am pretty sure it had some french plates, I might also have the chassis numbers on record still, and perhaps over in france, you can enquire about the number plate and see what it was registered as or even uncover more background of the car.
 
Just checked and I have loads of photos of the turbo cup of while it was still in storage. The registration was 195WWC44, it was pre euro plates, no FR in a blue border, or anything else.. which I thought French plates, like german ones had some kind of mark or dial in them, we were told it was french, so assumed the registration number on it was french.... Maybe some people here will be able to elaborate. In the pictures though, both front wings have repairs to the front leading foot or so, a different badge pannel and bumper, but certainly does not look like the whole front of the car was replaced. In the rear picture, it looks like the rear pannel has been repaired, not replaced, with the damage pannel beaten out just above the passenger rear light cluster through to the left hand edge of the rear number plate. I can post up photos if anyone is interested now I have found them.
 
We can clearly see in Jim's video the rear plate is French, refering to the département Loires Atlantiques, numbered 44 as shown by the 2 last digits on the rear plate. Back before some unofficial study highlighted that radars were more effective on white plates, it was compulsory to have the rear plate orange, which changed sometimes in the mid 2000. Officially only someone working for the police or gendarmerie can look up for a reg plate through the system, and it's no more a case of asking someone who works there since the requester now has to justify why he has needed to search a number through the system. If someone sends an email to the asarus website mentioning the reg plate then he may be interested in looking for this.
 
What is this in the front windscreen? Is that a french tax disk, or just some parking permit?
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Sorry I know absolutely nothing about french plates, france has always been part of the journey somewhere for me, never the destination, a language I learned or anything else I am ashamed to say [:D]
 
"The French vignette-based vehicle tax was introduced in 1956 to fund a minimum income scheme for citizens of age 65 and above. They were available in tabacs, and all vehicle owners were required to buy one at the end of each year. The price depended on the engine's horsepower, and in which department the car was registered. The vignette system soon led to controversy, leading to the tax not being ring-fenced for the elderly any longer. Vignettes were abolished for motorcycles in June 1981, and for other vehicles in 2001. An electronic toll is currently charged for all travelers using motorways and expressways, while additional charges have to be paid for passing through certain tunnels and bridges.[1]"
 
ORIGINAL: TTM "The French vignette-based vehicle tax was introduced in 1956 to fund a minimum income scheme for citizens of age 65 and above. They were available in tabacs, and all vehicle owners were required to buy one at the end of each year. The price depended on the engine's horsepower, and in which department the car was registered. The vignette system soon led to controversy, leading to the tax not being ring-fenced for the elderly any longer. Vignettes were abolished for motorcycles in June 1981, and for other vehicles in 2001. An electronic toll is currently charged for all travelers using motorways and expressways, while additional charges have to be paid for passing through certain tunnels and bridges.[1]"
And a much better solution. I have always been of a view our road tax system is a nonsense. The obvious solution is to put a very small increase on fuel prices so the more you use the roads the more you pay. Also foreign vehicles get to contribute as well.......Simples! It would make it a damn sight easier for vehicles that only get periodic use instead of this SORN nonsense. We all know its really just another way for the DVLA to keep their jobs and keep track of vehicles.
 
ORIGINAL: andrew_churcher Cup car in the states for sale.......... http://sloancars.com/2918/1988-944-turbo-cup-guards-red-black-6000-miles/
Would like to own that car, but even at a discounted buying price it will end up costing a fortune once you pay Import Tax and Duty [:(]
 
Or if you are feeling flush http://www.canepacollection.com/detail-1981-porsche-924-gtr_imsa-used-11044520.html
 
This one is much more reasonable http://germancarsforsaleblog.com/1986-porsche-944-gtr/ except it seems to be old info
 
ORIGINAL: 944Turbo Or if you are feeling flush http://www.canepacollection.com/detail-1981-porsche-924-gtr_imsa-used-11044520.html
I have had the chance to see this car up close when Reiner Telkamp was restoring it. He even got me sat in it and started it [:)] It has come a long way after sitting unused for a decade or 2. Lot of pictures of its restoration can be seen here : http://reiner-telkamp.de/index.php?option=com_phocagallery&view=category&id=2&Itemid=169
 
Ex Drendel(?) car back up for sale http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ebaymotors/Porsche-944-Turbo-Cup-/301062617132?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item4618baf82c&forcev4exp=true#ht_523wt_1372
 
ORIGINAL: TTM
ORIGINAL: 944Turbo Or if you are feeling flush http://www.canepacollection.com/detail-1981-porsche-924-gtr_imsa-used-11044520.html
I have had the chance to see this car up close when Reiner Telkamp was restoring it. He even got me sat in it and started it [:)] It has come a long way after sitting unused for a decade or 2. Lot of pictures of its restoration can be seen here : http://reiner-telkamp.de/index.php?option=com_phocagallery&view=category&id=2&Itemid=169
Very jealous! thanks for sharing the link!
 

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