944 Cup For Sale
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Peter Empson
PCGB Member
Hi Des, I'm not sure how you value one of these, so few seem to appear on the market that there's little in the way of a precedent. It does sound rather more original than the last one that appeared (worth a search to see how much hilarity that one caused [
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Personally I'd much rather have that budget to spend on modifying a 944T but I guess that if bought at the correct price (whatever that is) you'd stand to lose very at sale time.
Another thought is, is it likely to gain value if it becomes eligable for a particular classic race series (assuming it isn't already)?
]).Personally I'd much rather have that budget to spend on modifying a 944T but I guess that if bought at the correct price (whatever that is) you'd stand to lose very at sale time.
Another thought is, is it likely to gain value if it becomes eligable for a particular classic race series (assuming it isn't already)?
With a 64 Cup hitting 50-60K this has to be excellent value at 20K .... particularly with provenance and in GP White ... also eligible for historic outings .....
Neil Haughey
New member
Not so sure though Des, there appears to be 944 cup cars and *other* 944 cup cars. Last time I was up at EMC they had 2. Apparently a whole load of cars where built way back when for racing here, one of the ones I was looking at (was also on here as an ebay link) had a Safety Devices cage that was fitted by SD themselves not EMC. Somebody like Kevin probably knows enough about the history behind all these cars to maybe write something about em, perhaps time for another interview with Paul Follet.
AFAIK all the original 944 cup cars built for the then equivalent of the current carrera cup would have had Matter cages etc. I have seen a couple of shells close up now that where original Porsche motorsport shells. TBH I don't get so excited about this sort of stuff as I once did, pretty much all of these cars where built and used as race cars and most of them would by now have been ragged for more then a decade. I bet most as well would have had many different parts and rebuilds through their history as well.
Personally I would much rather have a minty 924 carrera GT.
AFAIK all the original 944 cup cars built for the then equivalent of the current carrera cup would have had Matter cages etc. I have seen a couple of shells close up now that where original Porsche motorsport shells. TBH I don't get so excited about this sort of stuff as I once did, pretty much all of these cars where built and used as race cars and most of them would by now have been ragged for more then a decade. I bet most as well would have had many different parts and rebuilds through their history as well.
Personally I would much rather have a minty 924 carrera GT.
The 64 Cups were well ragged too but make big money?
pauljmcnulty
Active member
Looking at the Cup car that was being shown everywhere a couple of years ago it had nothing much on it that a late turbo didn't have as standard, and the downsides like LHD, no underseal, had been smashed and repaired many times etc. outweighed the racing history to a great extent. There was a lot of comment at the time that the car wasn't worth anything like it's price tag, IIRC about what the car above is up for.
Neil Haughey
New member
I agree Paul, I guess the problem is we are a bit cold hearted about these things in our section of the Porsche family.
George Elliott
New member
Yes Des, the rare porsches will appreciate, and the ones with heritage will go highest, the turbo cup was an important initiative for prosche, its from a period when they thought the beetle's development had been exhausted.
Speedsters and the like are undervalued at present too imo
Paul, always, like never - is a long time.......
George
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Speedsters and the like are undervalued at present too imo
Paul, always, like never - is a long time.......
George
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Having now experienced a 944 properly, I would think a stripped out car with race suspension and gizmos coupled to 250+ BHP would make for a very well balanced and directional car ...... hmmm[8|]
Peter Empson
PCGB Member
Don't think you'll find any of us disagreeing with you there [
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944 man
Active member
Weight makes a far greater difference that many people think (with the exception of myself, Peter, Neil and possibly Ed/John). The following makes an interesting example, I think:
The car in question is the current Mazda 2, which is 100kgs lighter than the outgoing model, according to Mazda. 0-60mph time is 10.4 seconds standard and 11.4 seconds with the weight replaced. A slalom test added one second over a similar sub 15 second time frame. Most tellingly braking from 60mph; the stopping distance increased from 25 metres to 41 metres!
The car in question is the current Mazda 2, which is 100kgs lighter than the outgoing model, according to Mazda. 0-60mph time is 10.4 seconds standard and 11.4 seconds with the weight replaced. A slalom test added one second over a similar sub 15 second time frame. Most tellingly braking from 60mph; the stopping distance increased from 25 metres to 41 metres!
Neil Haughey
New member
Your not kidding, my S2 race car will be at that sort of weight. I would imagine a turbo could easily be made the same weight. Driving my car with the interior stripped to get down to somewhere between 1200 and 1250 was a revelation. The car feels so alive its incredible, with a similar drop again it will be beyond amazing I have no doubt. As I mentioned a few months back driving the thing on a motorway you only had to flex your foot and lorries are dispatched by the time you have pressed the throttle down. In a standard S2 you have to put your foot down and wait to get up to speed. The difference is really amazing.
Peter Empson
PCGB Member
Couldn't agree more, easy overtaking without having to drop a gear or two is probably the biggest gain on the road, and a lot of fun too.
edh
New member
It would - if you could put up with the noise...
While mine remains a road car, it'll keep the comfy seats & soundproofing. If we ever go back to 3 cars, with one being much more track focused, I'll think about it. i had hoped to do it this year, but money is a bit tight. My concern with lightening the 944 is mainly - why not start with a lightweight car in the first place?
The best (nearly) modern car I've driven is the DC2 Integra - under 1100kg, very stiff, and feels just like a race car on the road. Great on tracks, even in stock setup. Unfortunately it's not a nice place to do m-way miles in. Last week I drove to Newcastle & back in the 944, this week I'm off to Edinburgh - I wouldn't fancy those trips in an Integra, or a lightweight 944.
While mine remains a road car, it'll keep the comfy seats & soundproofing. If we ever go back to 3 cars, with one being much more track focused, I'll think about it. i had hoped to do it this year, but money is a bit tight. My concern with lightening the 944 is mainly - why not start with a lightweight car in the first place?
The best (nearly) modern car I've driven is the DC2 Integra - under 1100kg, very stiff, and feels just like a race car on the road. Great on tracks, even in stock setup. Unfortunately it's not a nice place to do m-way miles in. Last week I drove to Newcastle & back in the 944, this week I'm off to Edinburgh - I wouldn't fancy those trips in an Integra, or a lightweight 944.
pauljmcnulty
Active member
That sums up exactly how I feel about the S2 over the Lux. Except the 100 HP bit. [8|]
A classic example, even 20 years ago, of how our demands for more luxury and safety lead to more weight. This requires more power, less efficiency and less driver involvement. Now we have slight reduction in weight through ultra-modern materials and technology so a car is impossible to repair and uneconomical to run as it gets older.
What was wrong with keeping it simple? [&o]
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