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944 Estates? (Shooting Brakes)

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Chaps,

Occasionally I come across pictures of what looks like a 944 estate - one such piccie is here:

944_Cargo_1_gr-thumb.jpeg


Does anyone have any information on this sort of thing? Latest I heard was that they were called the 944 cargo, and made by Porsche (which contradicts what I have heard before.)

Have to say that they look damn cool, and I would REALLY like one ...


Oli.
 
I still have a book I had as a teenager called 'Dream Cars' and it has a few tuned/rebodied Porsches featured in it.

The Porsche 924 and 928 estate cars in it are built by a German tuning company called ARTZ. The 924 was based on a 924S Turbo with the bonnet of a Carrera GT, the 928 was a 928S. They're different to your pic above though.

They also built a Golf based on a 928S which was 11" wider than the original mk1 Golf.

Check out these links...
924S Shooting Brake

928 wide-Golf


If you're interested in buying the book there's a few pre-owned copies on amazon...
Amazon - Dream Cars
 
Rich,

Thanks for the links. I remember seeing a more detailed webpage about 924/44 estates, but don't know what the URL is. Interesting stuff none the less.

Fen,

Really? Gosh, I'd love one! But £45k (plus your existing 944, at a guess.) That's a lot.

I wonder how easy it would be to make one yourself. Thinking about it, structural rigidity would be the difficulty, and the opening hatch doesn't offer anything to help that. If you were to extend the roofline back, and build the side wings up (with windows in them), with a little strengthening you could fairly easily produce something as strong as the original, but with an estate shape. Making a bootlid for it would be a bit of a game, as would the back windows, and the end result would only be slightly more practical than the original 944 (as you couldn't lower the floor at all) but it would be a sight to behold!

If Artz made 20 of these, where are they now?

ETA: The pictures of the Artz models show a slightly different shape towards the back of the roofline to the picture I posted. This would suggest that the one I posted was made by someone else ... so there have been at least two people making these things before.


Oli.
 
I love these things. Remember seeing discussion about them pop up a few times on other Porsche forums.
 
I was nearly right, just had the price astronomically wrong.

I'd agree on the M-Coupe though - looks much the same and waaaaayyyy faster.
 
ORIGINAL: Fen

I was nearly right, just had the price astronomically wrong.
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Indeed - I was impressed. I didn't know that they were still available.
ORIGINAL: Fen

I'd agree on the M-Coupe though - looks much the same and waaaaayyyy faster.
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Now that I CAN'T agree with! I have never quite liked the M-coupe, but do like that estate.

(Don't worry chaps, I'll go off it soon and not blow my lifetime savings on a funny-shaped bit of fibreglass for an old Porsche, but I am currently in love ... I think ... )


Oli.
 
I like the estate also but there is no getting away from the fact that the 944's engine is its weakest feature whereas particularly the last of the M Coupes with the S54 engine have one of the best ever made. Also the 944 estate is always going to be a bit kit car whereas the M Coupe was designed if not like that from the ground up at least by the same team who designed the Z3 it is based on.

The feel of the interior is much of the same era and that is the main reason I didn't buy an M Roadster after driving one with an S54 engine.
 
ORIGINAL: Fen
I like the estate also but there is no getting away from the fact that the 944's engine is its weakest feature whereas particularly the last of the M Coupes with the S54 engine have one of the best ever made. Also the 944 estate is always going to be a bit kit car whereas the M Coupe was designed if not like that from the ground up at least by the same team who designed the Z3 it is based on.
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True true and all true. I can't disagree with a word of it.

However, I guess I like the shape of the 944 estate - and the fact that it is so unusual. I guess this is a major part of the appeal to me. Having something that no-one else does (or very few other people do).

The point about the 944 engine is a very good one. Were there ever any plans to fit it with a 6-pot? Or something more suitable?


Oli.
 
I think once upon a time there may have been, but then the 928 engine was cut in half and that was a cheaper way to provide something better than the 924 engine for the struggling company as it was back then.

Of course someone posted a picture of a flat 6 in a 944 about 6 months ago so there's another angle.
 
ORIGINAL: Neil Haughey

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They're the best type. Anyway have you seen the new Impreza? That should pretty much kill Subaru stone dead in the UK at least.
 
Welcome back Fen....[:D][:D]

Can I suggest to Oli that you buy the nearest thing to the 944 estate if it's the looks you're after? When this thread came up before the Allegro Estate was mooted as a dead ringer from the rear.....[8|]

 
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When this thread came up before the Allegro Estate was mooted as a dead ringer from the rear.....[8|]
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Oli I have a spare Porsche lozenge steering wheel that I can bash into an Allegro square if you like [:D]
 
They're the best type. Anyway have you seen the new Impreza? That should pretty much kill Subaru stone dead in the UK at least.
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I used to be a fan of the Impreza when I was younger and just a little bit more foolish than I am now, but then I watched them kill it with the bug eyes and all the others after that were just plain boring and the new one as a hatchback and completly bland styling is absoloutly horrid, I hope it does kill them off in all honesty they deserve it!
 
My feelings on the Impreza are well known on here - and they are based on owning an RB5. Given people (including Evo) still bleat on about them being the best Impreza ever I think I can speak with authority when I say they are overrated jumped up mini-cabs. I'll stop there I think though I have a set-piece of fault list I can reel off.
 
guess you have seen these 944 v8's ? I saw one recently with a 928 engine

http://www.pistonheads.com/doc.asp?c=105&i=7895
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uwMQFoCFag
http://www.dilysimotorsports.com/Porsche.htm

 
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