944 Turbo S
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II found this chip kit that has DME and KLR Chips. A boost controller and a 3.0 Fuel Pressure regulator. Are those the stock chips on the Turbo S or will this be a good upgrade?
All I want to do is Chip, Intake, Exhaust, Boost COntroller. Then I will try to put on coilovers and sway bars and I'm done.
Only thing I don't like is the back of the car. The M3 looks so nice but the front on this car is nice. I just don't like the rear. Are there any body kits for this car? Thanks.
All I want to do is Chip, Intake, Exhaust, Boost COntroller. Then I will try to put on coilovers and sway bars and I'm done.
Only thing I don't like is the back of the car. The M3 looks so nice but the front on this car is nice. I just don't like the rear. Are there any body kits for this car? Thanks.
Diver944
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Hi Killer,
It sounds like you are looking at the kit from Gururacing.net in the States. I have recently installed this on my Turbo and the results are dramatic for very little outlay (under £200).
I have yet to have it rolling roaded to make sure the air/fuel ratio is safe all the way through the rev range and also to see exactly what the new power is. The manufacturer claims 260-275 bhp at the rear wheels which seems very ambitious but we shall see []
The Turbo S should already have a hard M030 adjustable Koni suspension that is very good for track work, so unless it is old and worn out I would leave it alone. A good improvement that reduces body roll during extreme cornering is to install the 968 Clubsport M030 anti roll bars. These bolt straight on with new bushes and are available from an OPC for a very reasonable £300 ish all inclusive.
I don't think a 944 is a suitable car for a bodykit. I have seen some truly awful ones from a french company [] If you really don't like the rear then how about a bridge spoiler which was standard on the last of the S2's and then reappeared on the 968. If you really must, then the 968 rear panel is also a direct fit with a good bodyshop.
It sounds like you are looking at the kit from Gururacing.net in the States. I have recently installed this on my Turbo and the results are dramatic for very little outlay (under £200).
I have yet to have it rolling roaded to make sure the air/fuel ratio is safe all the way through the rev range and also to see exactly what the new power is. The manufacturer claims 260-275 bhp at the rear wheels which seems very ambitious but we shall see [
]The Turbo S should already have a hard M030 adjustable Koni suspension that is very good for track work, so unless it is old and worn out I would leave it alone. A good improvement that reduces body roll during extreme cornering is to install the 968 Clubsport M030 anti roll bars. These bolt straight on with new bushes and are available from an OPC for a very reasonable £300 ish all inclusive.
I don't think a 944 is a suitable car for a bodykit. I have seen some truly awful ones from a french company [
] If you really don't like the rear then how about a bridge spoiler which was standard on the last of the S2's and then reappeared on the 968. If you really must, then the 968 rear panel is also a direct fit with a good bodyshop.
danmason
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so which is the better option - Boost Enhancer or the GuruRacing upgrade, which comprises a chip and the Reliaboost upgrade (which seems to be the same thing as a Boost Enhancer)?
Is the GuruRacing kit worth the extra cash?
Is the GuruRacing kit worth the extra cash?
Diver944
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The Guru kit and the Boost Enhancer aren't exactly the same thing so can't really be compared directly. The boost enhancer will reduce lag and I had one before installing Guru, it works brilliantly and really reduces the lag that tired wastegates make even worse. It does not increase the peak power so is insurace company friendly []
The Guru kit has chips that raise the boost pressure, an S2 fuel pressure regulator to increase fueling, shims to strengthen the spring in the wastegate and also the Reliaboost which does exactly the same as the Boost Enhancer. This cost approx £200 from america and I had the car on the rolling road last week and the car now makes 287 bhp and a whopping 331 lbft of torque. Peak figures are at 4000 rpm and stay there until the redline because the wastegate is forced open. The standard chips don't make 250 bhp until 6000 rpm.
When I get a Dual Port wastegate this should hold the increased boost all the way to the red line and power should then be comfortably over 300 bhp []
]The Guru kit has chips that raise the boost pressure, an S2 fuel pressure regulator to increase fueling, shims to strengthen the spring in the wastegate and also the Reliaboost which does exactly the same as the Boost Enhancer. This cost approx £200 from america and I had the car on the rolling road last week and the car now makes 287 bhp and a whopping 331 lbft of torque. Peak figures are at 4000 rpm and stay there until the redline because the wastegate is forced open. The standard chips don't make 250 bhp until 6000 rpm.
When I get a Dual Port wastegate this should hold the increased boost all the way to the red line and power should then be comfortably over 300 bhp [
]It wasn't a run-out model, in fact it came slightly before half-way through production. Until the Silver Rose edition the 944 Turbo was a 2.5 4 cylinder running 0.7bar boost and making 220bhp. Basic spec was as per other 944 models with the addition of the aerodynamic front end and air-conditioning. Suspension was improved and wheels & tyres wider.
The Silver Rose editions in 1988 used a bigger turbo and slightly more boost to achieve 250bhp. They also got Koni adjustable (height and rebound) suspension with thicker ARB's, bigger front brakes, forged wheels, LSD, hardened 1st and 2nd gear ratios, thicker driveshafts, thinner windscreen, 180mph speedometer, deleted sunroof, turbo script on wing and were originally painted a pinky silver (Silver Rose) with burgundy interior in studio cloth (pink tartan, basically). Because the colour combo was so evil some later cars were made in other colours to try to shift them and this specific example must be one of them. I have never seen a Silver Rose car with sports seats, and this is the first I have seen with leather upholstery. Cue the "I have a Silver Rose with leather posts"...
The special edition is not worth a premium for 3 reasons (in my view):
As standard they aren't very nice to drive with their 80's implementation of a turbocharger and if you're coming from a pretend 911 with all the modern accoutrements Porsche ruined the original by adding (sorry; I think the 911 died with the 993) you will find it pretty agricultural. Some sensible changes to the wastegate, a decat and DME chip transforms the car into something much more pleasant to drive.
It depends what you are after and if you want a shiny example to use for concourse it might be the best currently for sale. On the other hand if you want one to drive and have fun with I can think of a couple I'd buy before it - Matt's on here is for sale and it's got all the right spec and mods, is black with leather and no sunroof and is up for a lot less than £12k. I think Dan's red one is also maybe still for sale and it also is a nice car with sensible mods. Also Chris has a nice black Turbo cab with the sensible mods done for much less than £12k too.
I do encourage you to buy a 944 Turbo of some sort though - although if you don't want to modify it perhaps an S2 might be better.
The Silver Rose editions in 1988 used a bigger turbo and slightly more boost to achieve 250bhp. They also got Koni adjustable (height and rebound) suspension with thicker ARB's, bigger front brakes, forged wheels, LSD, hardened 1st and 2nd gear ratios, thicker driveshafts, thinner windscreen, 180mph speedometer, deleted sunroof, turbo script on wing and were originally painted a pinky silver (Silver Rose) with burgundy interior in studio cloth (pink tartan, basically). Because the colour combo was so evil some later cars were made in other colours to try to shift them and this specific example must be one of them. I have never seen a Silver Rose car with sports seats, and this is the first I have seen with leather upholstery. Cue the "I have a Silver Rose with leather posts"...
The special edition is not worth a premium for 3 reasons (in my view):
- Porsche didn't provide a certificate or a number plaque with the car to show it is a special edition, and they don't even know how many of them they made nor in which colours.
- All 944 Turbo models from 1989 had pretty much exactly the Silver Rose spec except they lost the thinner screen and gained a sunroof. They also tended to have sports leather interior rather than non-sport in nasty tartan cloth. Note from 1990 on the spec changed for the worse in a couple of areas (suspension and wheels).
- The original colour combo seen on most cars was so horrible it puts off many people who would otherwise seek out one of these cars (that goes for me for example). They also look quite old on an E registration compared to the larger numbers of F, G and to a lesser extent H-plated cars available.
As standard they aren't very nice to drive with their 80's implementation of a turbocharger and if you're coming from a pretend 911 with all the modern accoutrements Porsche ruined the original by adding (sorry; I think the 911 died with the 993) you will find it pretty agricultural. Some sensible changes to the wastegate, a decat and DME chip transforms the car into something much more pleasant to drive.
It depends what you are after and if you want a shiny example to use for concourse it might be the best currently for sale. On the other hand if you want one to drive and have fun with I can think of a couple I'd buy before it - Matt's on here is for sale and it's got all the right spec and mods, is black with leather and no sunroof and is up for a lot less than £12k. I think Dan's red one is also maybe still for sale and it also is a nice car with sensible mods. Also Chris has a nice black Turbo cab with the sensible mods done for much less than £12k too.
I do encourage you to buy a 944 Turbo of some sort though - although if you don't want to modify it perhaps an S2 might be better.
Thanks for the advice.
Whilst immediately coming from a 996 my previous car was a 1986 930 turbo. I agree with you, I actually prefer the older Porsche's. The 996 was bought for many reasons (not all right - of course) and it will be soon be gone.
I am now working to a more restrictive budget of £10,000. My new purchase is intended for the long term and so I want to buy something relatively exclusive that wont depreciate like a lead balloon ala 996. I wont do massive mileage, perhaps 6-8k PA..
I dont want a high miler and I am prepared to do a bit of modification.
I was hoping that this budget would get me something quite nice.
Whilst immediately coming from a 996 my previous car was a 1986 930 turbo. I agree with you, I actually prefer the older Porsche's. The 996 was bought for many reasons (not all right - of course) and it will be soon be gone.
I am now working to a more restrictive budget of £10,000. My new purchase is intended for the long term and so I want to buy something relatively exclusive that wont depreciate like a lead balloon ala 996. I wont do massive mileage, perhaps 6-8k PA..
I dont want a high miler and I am prepared to do a bit of modification.
I was hoping that this budget would get me something quite nice.
The budget will get you the pick of 944 Turbos. Anything over £10k is in my view too special to use. Matt's car is at £9,500 or so with RPM (advertised on Pistonheads) for example. Chris's Turbo cab (which is much more exclusive and the 944 most likely to hold value IMO) is also available for that sort of money I believe. In terms of mileage consider anything under 100k to be low as they are all a minimum of 14 years old now. Too low can be as bad as too high as owners can skimp on servicing when they don't use the car, so something in the 80-90k miles might be a good place to pitch. Personally though I bought an S2 cab at 142k miles once and used it daily up to 192k with no issues so I am not scared of miles if they have a history.
How was the 930? I'm on the cusp of buying a 964 Turbo 2 myself.
How was the 930? I'm on the cusp of buying a 964 Turbo 2 myself.
I would agree with Fen here and add that if you've had a 'booster' before and you go back to one, then some part of you is addicted to the boost itself. This being the case you will find that as Fen said without some minor mods the car will feel a bit like an old speedboat. I would look to do some basic tuning of the suspension as well, as the standard one pitches and rolls like, well, that old speedboat again. Having spent a lot more than your intended 10k I would advise you to take advantage of the cheap environment and buy one and have a bit of fun with it as the car has a lot of potential.
I loved the 930, however its quite a heavy car to maneouvre at low speeds. Reverse parking can be a right pain!
I'm not too au-faux with engine modifications but the boost pressure on mine had been increased. Apparently this gives 330bhp as opposed to 300bhp.
I dont suppose youve driven a 924 GT? I was wondering how this stacked up against the 944.
I'm not too au-faux with engine modifications but the boost pressure on mine had been increased. Apparently this gives 330bhp as opposed to 300bhp.
I dont suppose youve driven a 924 GT? I was wondering how this stacked up against the 944.
The only 924 I have driven was a series 2 Turbo. The Carrera GT would likely feel a generation older again than the 944 Turbo with the square dash, different windscreen etc. That said there is no equivalently special 944 variant (the Silver Rose is as special as they get and they aren't very sepcial) and it would be cool to tell your mates you are buying a Carrera GT! I imagine rust is a major issue with late 70's 924s as I can't see why they would fare any better than late 80's 944s which are frequently rotting away from the inside out. If you can get a good one on a £10k budget they have shed a fair bit of value since I last paid any attention to them though.
I like your 930, as it should be on Fuchs.
I like your 930, as it should be on Fuchs.
edh
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There's no better performance bargain than a 944 turbo [] (OK - maybe I'm a bit biased)
I think a good CGT would start at 10K upwards, & isn't anwhere near as quick as a warmed over 944 turbo. Only 210bhp / 206lb/ft according to 911 & PW August 2006. I'd hope people would have looked after them as they are rarer / more historically important than the 944.
8-9k should buy you a very good example of a 944 turbo - leaving a bit left for the inevitable maintenance a 15-20 year old car needs. I'd agree with Fen that condition / recent history / recent work is so much more important than mileage. Drive a few & you'll soon see the difference between a tired one with a leaky wastegate & sloppy suspension, and one that holds boost & is tight. Higher mileage probably means motorway miles, so a 140k car might actually be in better order than an 80k car - check the drivers seat bolsters & see how much they have worn from people climbing in & out..
As for depreciation - I bought mine nearly a year ago & prices haven't moved much since then. I can't really see good 250 cars going much lower, although the early 220 cars are dropping, as everyone wants the later 250's.
] (OK - maybe I'm a bit biased)I think a good CGT would start at 10K upwards, & isn't anwhere near as quick as a warmed over 944 turbo. Only 210bhp / 206lb/ft according to 911 & PW August 2006. I'd hope people would have looked after them as they are rarer / more historically important than the 944.
8-9k should buy you a very good example of a 944 turbo - leaving a bit left for the inevitable maintenance a 15-20 year old car needs. I'd agree with Fen that condition / recent history / recent work is so much more important than mileage. Drive a few & you'll soon see the difference between a tired one with a leaky wastegate & sloppy suspension, and one that holds boost & is tight. Higher mileage probably means motorway miles, so a 140k car might actually be in better order than an 80k car - check the drivers seat bolsters & see how much they have worn from people climbing in & out..
As for depreciation - I bought mine nearly a year ago & prices haven't moved much since then. I can't really see good 250 cars going much lower, although the early 220 cars are dropping, as everyone wants the later 250's.
This is Matt's, being sold through Pistonheads http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/sales/101695.htm
Chris is being cagey about his and it's only advertised in his signature, but his username is chrisdenton and you can contact him through that.
Dan's is here, though it's an old enough thread it might be sold; http://www.porscheclubgbforum.com/tm.asp?m=218999&mpage=1&key=𵝷
Chris is being cagey about his and it's only advertised in his signature, but his username is chrisdenton and you can contact him through that.
Dan's is here, though it's an old enough thread it might be sold; http://www.porscheclubgbforum.com/tm.asp?m=218999&mpage=1&key=𵝷
edh
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http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/101695.htm
Fen got there first []
There look like another couple of good ones on Pistonheads - the blue one that was in 911 & PW looked nice (Why are cars in features always up for sale?)
Fen got there first [
]There look like another couple of good ones on Pistonheads - the blue one that was in 911 & PW looked nice (Why are cars in features always up for sale?)
NeilW
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If you did particularly want one of the Silver Rose cars then there's a nice one on Autotrader:-
http://atsearch.autotrader.co.uk/www/CARS_popup.asp?modelexact=1&lid=search_used_cars_full&make=PORSCHE&model=944&min_pr=75&max_pr=&mileage=&agerange=&postcode=dh3+2ra&miles=200&max_records=200&source=0&photo=1&sort=4&ukcarsearch_full=SEARCH&start=1&distance=179&adcategory=CARS&channel=CARS&id=200639251507692
Thought I'd better add, it's not mine.
http://atsearch.autotrader.co.uk/www/CARS_popup.asp?modelexact=1&lid=search_used_cars_full&make=PORSCHE&model=944&min_pr=75&max_pr=&mileage=&agerange=&postcode=dh3+2ra&miles=200&max_records=200&source=0&photo=1&sort=4&ukcarsearch_full=SEARCH&start=1&distance=179&adcategory=CARS&channel=CARS&id=200639251507692
Thought I'd better add, it's not mine.
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