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944 Turbo SE - Tuning Help !!!

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I am looking for some advise on tuning my car, funds are tight at the moment after just purchasing the 44, so i am looking at low end/big difference quality tuning options, i know it's alot to ask, but if it means saving for the best parts thats what i would prefer to do, the car is completly standard apart from a Lindsey Boost Enhancer.

I need a starting point but don't want to go over things twice, so at this stage a remap is for later on once bolt on's have been added.

I was wondering can i fit a 50mm Tial wastegate with 11 psi spring ?

If all could advise on what order to purchase in ?

All help & advise will be much appreciated.

P.s. If anyone has or knows of anyone who has any used or new parts for sale please keep me posted ?

Thanks again.
 
Paul,
New Diverter valve Bailey DV or similar, you will see it beside the header tank with a vacuum hose on top of it, the diaphragams split and do not work correctly, this is a common bit fitted to most turbocharged VAG cars so check the forums as they do come up, a good idea is to get a 90 degree elbow for the vacuum hose from bailey which only costs a quid or so as the straight connecter fouls the bonnet
New wastegate Tial or Promax are good, 3 bar Fuel Pressure regulator to supply more fuel, this is fitted at the back of the fuel rail on top of the engine 2 bolts and a couple of hoses to swap, you see these on e bay quite often also fitted on many older BMW's so do a search, the standard one is 2 1/2 bar.
Vacuum hose kit to replace the old stuff in the engine bay, cheaper to buy from Bailey Motorsport in metre lengths get at least 4 metres and some alloy "T" pieces, the original stuff leaks !
Adjustable boost controller and a decent boost gauge to tell you what is really happening boost wise (Race Logic are good) Demon Tweeks sell them (You want to be running 16-17 psi max) listen for pre detonation which sounds like a tinkling sound....BACK OFF ! and turn it down or you will burn holes in pistons and valves !
Chips or a Re Map, John Mitchell Garages OR Promax will do the trick, or a Re Map by Wayne Schofield (Chip Wizards) based in Rocdale.
 
What Jim said really.

Make sure what you have works properly first. Get a compression test and leak down test to make sure the whole thing won't just go bang as soon as you wind it up.

Then reputable DME and ECU chips, not from the wonders of ebay.
DPW - Tial 38 or larger if you're planning more BHP
Dump valve
3" exhaust system (or more) - look carefully at what is included - no point having a free flowing system to find that the manifold end is still the original (narrower).
55 or 72lb injectors - latter only worth it if you want to aim for 350+ bhp
MBC for the simple stuff or an EBC for more info and control

Ten you start looking at new turbos and MAF kits and piggy back chips.

Better suspension, coilovers maybe.

And then you go bankrupt!

Jon Mitchells website has a list of options as does Promax.

If you want real poke read the spec sheet of Ben (DivineE's) car he is selling. Better still sell yours and buy that one. It'll be much much cheaper in the long run.

 
By the way lads thanks very much, so far so good !!!

So what i am thinking now, from what i have heard is:

* Bailey hose kit (refresh that)
* Fuel reg
* Dump valve
* Tial WG
* Exhaust
* EBC

I think thats the order to start purchasing in.

I've got a few more questions & interests which i need to pick up on as i feel buying the parts seperate rather than the kits from promax & Jm will work out better, viewed them a while ago & from what i can see there's better to be had ?!!

Lets know your views ?!!

Thanks very much !!!
 
This:
ORIGINAL: Totty
funds are tight at the moment after just purchasing the 44, so i am looking at low end/big difference quality tuning options,

does not line up with this:
ORIGINAL: Totty
i feel buying the parts seperate rather than the kits from promax & Jm will work out better, viewed them a while ago & from what i can see there's better to be had ?!!
Better for what purpose? Better for the purpose of a low cost / big difference, proven, working tuning option, then no, I don't think you will do better than an off-the-shelf Promax or JMG set, providing your engine is 100% fit in standard form (no air leaks, bores in good nick, good compressions,good oil pressure, recent head gasket and belts, and nice clean cylinder head that doesn't need a decoke, etc)

It is not a good idea to modify these things in an unfocused way, without a specific set of objectives. Throwing an assortment of parts at a car in dribs and drabs one at a time is not going to give you a better low cost / big difference tuning option than a proven kit from JMG or Promax, especially since you cannot safely do anything that makes a serious difference to the power unless you chip the car or have it remapped, which is currently not even on your list.

All of the things on your list have their purposes but deciding the best upgrade path depends very much on where you ultimately want to go. What is your actual end objective? 12 months from now what power and torque output do you intend to have, what sort of use will you be putting the car to, what sort of driveability characteristics do you want, and how much are you prepared to spend overall?

If what you want is a reliable 300 bhp road car at modest cost and that's going to be the end of it, then that's an off-the-shelf Promax Level 2 kit or equivalent from JMG, job done. If you are embarking on a long expensive multi-year journey to 400 bhp then you will be getting into a world of much more profound changes: changing the turbocharger, bigger intercooler and a bigger exhaust and other things, and accept that you will be in for a series of custom remaps as you go.

Actually the exhaust is a good example. Does it *need* a new exhaust because the old one is falling to pieces? If not, and you are short of money, why spend a four-figure sum on a three-inch exhaust that really only becomes necessary once you are well beyond 300 bhp and aiming for 350 bhp plus? On the other hand if you know you are working towards 350 bhp and your existing exhaust is rotten, then yes, you might as well get a 3" rather than a standard replacement.
 

ORIGINAL: Lowtimer
you cannot safely do anything that makes a serious difference to the power unless you chip the car or have it remapped, which is currently not even on your list.
This is the most important thing to take on board straight away.

Because of the way the 944 DME works, any mod that does actually improve power will mean that you need new chips.

You don't necessarily need new chips after each change, but the initial (significant) mods from standard will be one where you do.

So what i am thinking now, from what i have heard is:

* Bailey hose kit (refresh that)
* Fuel reg
* Dump valve
* Tial WG
* Exhaust
* EBC

I think thats the order to start purchasing in.

You can refresh the hoses, dump valve and wastegate without chips in preparation for other mods - by themselves they will not increase power from standard (although they may bring it back up to standard).

The exhaust is probably OK to do, and the EBC is ok as long as you set it to standard boost levels.

However, you can't change the FPR without changing chips.

Having a goal to aim for so that you don't upgrade the same things more than once is an admirable target but this is a very slippery slope!

Depending on your tuning goals, you really need to be thinking about Turbos, MAF's (or MAP), injectors - and chips......

Welcome to the dark side![:D]
 
In what condition is the engine?

Purchasing a cheap example and strapping upgrades onto it might exacerbate issues that were not visible in the first place.
 
Thanks for all info so far.

As far as I am aware the engine is in tip top form & I am looking for a starting point to provisionally achieve 320-350bhp.

Thanks again
 
Heading towards a genuine 320-350 HP starts getting properly expensive (ask me how I know !) and needs a fair bit of kit in itself. 290-300 on a 250 car is a much better starting point. That upgrade makes a big difference in itself not just in power but reducing laaaaag. Then see if the need is still there for more would be my suggestion.
 
Nah not on commision but good places deserve reccomends[:)], they tuned 3 944 turbos for me one to 400bhp a few years ago,runs like clockwork with an annual check done trackdays in UK and abroad,they then have done a "lite" tune on my "standard" car with very little effort 300bhp smooth as silk,and they tuned my racecar that did a whole season without missing a beat(every race on calender plus some extra interseries and sports V saloons- without one DNS or DNF... and it won it's series in 2010,just sold it and its returning to CSCC this weekend to cause havoc with another pilot[:D]
I have tried their tuning at three diffrent levels,three different 944 turbos, it is proven good on dyno charts but more importantly race proven,no BS and big waffly talk[8|]... just results that work.
They are carving another niche in 996 turbo tuning i hear now.I like a story with a happy end and love it when other people do well.
 
So what i'm thinking now is order mods.

Bailey hose kit, Bailey dump valve, FPR, Tial WG & then a remap ?

Have i missed anything ?!!!

Thanks Paul
 

ORIGINAL: TTM

In what condition is the engine?

Purchasing a cheap example and strapping upgrades onto it might exacerbate issues that were not visible in the first place.


This. Theres usually plenty to spend before the wise try to make it produce more power / go faster.
 
But i haven't purchased a cheap example, so i don't really know what yous are referring to ? :s

If you could enlighten me ?

Thanks
 
It was just a general remark, not necessarily aimed at you.
I looked through other posts from you but couldn't find a mention on your engine, so I just thought it would be a useful reminder.
That's great news if you can start right away spending on upgrades! [:)]
 
Well fingers crossed, I will be asking Tom Ferguson to give it the once over before i ask him to install the bolt on's [:)]

http://www.tomferguson.com/index.html?setwindow=s

I apprecitate all advise & comments as i don't want to make any mistakes with my pride & joy !!!
 
I bought my second 106 XSI in January exactly the same colour, best colour in my eyes [:)], reminiscing of my teenage years, the go kart handling is great on the country roads !!!
 

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